CV shutdown: Kid Rock's Nashville bar to remain open despite mayor's order

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  1. Same Issues

    Same Issues Well-Known Member

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    I actually agree with the co-owner of the bar. Adults should be able to weight the risks and go out if they choose to unless there are statewide mandates. People who don't like it should choose to self quarantine instead of worrying about the risk that others may POTENTIALLY have at exposing themselves.
    Under the circumstance's you are taking a risk going to Walmart, or any other business for that matter, so the mayors mandate is targeting a select group of businesses.

    And whats the condition of reversal for any of the measures nationwide? The condition is not clear and now we have the same mandate where I am in Harris County(Houston), but surrounding counties like Galveston are opposed to this particular ban.

     
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    I think it is a HORRIBLE Idea to leave it open.

    And, Kid Rock is a complete jerk.

    The guy has some good music, but I can't excuse him if he favors the continuing operation of a Human Petri Dish.
     
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    It's not quite as much risk as taking a person to bed that you know has syph, AIDS, canker, clam, and scabies, but now is probably not the time to fade the knowledge of Dr. Fauci.
     
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    Isn't it a bit of a five year old response to keep trying to tease your sister when mom tells you not to?
    Whatever.
     
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    Nashville can just pull their license to serve
     
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    A) Then it is time to mandate it Statewide
    B) The logic here would apply to attempts to mandate that Children get vaccinated
     
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    A) No argument there, but once they pass the mandate does 15 days cure everything? What are the conditions of a reversal and how long do the people effected have to be out of work? I see them being extended as 15 days would not be long enough to eradicate the disease, especially if I can go to Walmart and mingle with everyone waiting in line.
     
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    The idea wasn't to eradicate the disease, it was to flatten the curve to give us more time to get ahead of the spread and to lessen the load at local hospitals. The concept being that if you have 15 patients rotating in and out of ICU it's more manageable than having 45 showing up on the same day ...
     
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    That's somewhat realistic, but flattening the curve has to be a condition to some of these mandates, lock-downs, and bans. If the curve does not flatten when more people get tested do the mandates get extended, which I have a hunch they will.

    And one of my points was, there is no condition for reversal like your proposal other than 15 days, which is probably not long enough. Lots of people in the service industry will need income at some point, a point which is not clearly stated.
     
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    If the curve does not flatten more pressure is applied with more of an iron fist until it does flatten.
     
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    That's also not clearly stated. I just hope it worth the consequences. Its like the cold, if we took the same measures for influenza we would still have people getting and some dying from the seasonal cold and influenza.
     
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    I didn't say it solved the problem, I merely stated that it would make the problem more manageable in the short run.
     
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    It will be interesting to see if the flu season gets shortened with these measures in effect. If we get people more used to washing their hands and staying home when they have flu, it might help prevent thousands of deaths in up-coming years.
     
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    Good luck trying to get past that pesky "Freedom of Assembly" thing.
     
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    Do you really believe that people who ignore the recommendations should bear the risks of doing so?
     
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    Bob’s not the brightest bulb so this nonsense shouldn’t come as a surprise.
     
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    But at some point insurance companies might say (and probably should say) that they won't cover the costs of treatment for someone who ignores government advice on social distancing.
     
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    show me where within my policy that disclaimer resides
     
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    Here is the thing he if thinks the mayors order is unconstitutional he should sue.... Until then he should follow the damn order
     
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    I'm sure it doesn't. But they should.

    People are all in favor of "personal responsibility". The OP says it should be up to each individual to decide how much risk they are going to take. But if someone is reckless and gets COVID, the cost of that recklessness falls on all policyholders. It is not taking personal responsibility if you look to an insurance company to cover your irresponsibility.

    That kind of behaviour is no different than people who decide not to work and draw social benefits. It is being irresponsible and expecting others to bail you out.

    I don't mean you personally, I mean the generic "you".
     
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    and where will it end? If I walk through a WalMart parking lot and get run down by an elderly driver, should I not walk in Wal Mart parking lots?

    If I don't get the flu vaccine, and get the flu, should ins not pay?

    If I choose to ski and twist an ankle, was I no taking personal responsibility?

    Where does it end?
     
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    they should allow alcohol and smokes to be sold online so people can order these things vs going out
     
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    Has the government or CDC recommend that you avoid those activities?

    Will your insurance pay if you leave an expensive camera in a public place and walk away from it for half an hour? Mine won't.

    Once the government or health authorities have warned people not to engage in a certain activity, it is arguably gross negligence to do it. Gross negligence might invalidate a policy.

    And then, the person would have to take full personal responsibility for their actions. Isn't that what Republicans support? Taking personal responsibility?
     
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    So you are for confining everyone to their homes?
     
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    An analogy...
    If I decide that I don't like the advice to not go out in public and join all the people throwing rocks randomly am I expressing my personal freedom or am I endangering the public at large?
     

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