Dear Democrats: Vet Your Candidates Better, Else You're Electing The Other Platform

This was from the Snowden thread. http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/308208-us-formally-charges-snowden-espionage-37.html But it makes an excellent topic of its own.

Let this be a lesson to democrats in the DNC [providing it really was democrats and not RNC moles or some other brightly-colored and traitorous minority special interest group]. VET YOUR CANDIDATES.

Otherwise, the "gang' will be happy to blackmail your elected officials into compliance with their agenda.

 

Cheney isn't blackmailing Obama.

That's a stupid claim.

 

Didn't say him personally, just his gang. And they must be. If you think of Obama's loyalties suddenly changing, keeping Gitmo open, bending constantly to the GOP's wishes and whims and not standing up firmly against them. "His" policies on violating the 4th Amendment, spying on everyone domestically all the time... These are the clear signs of someone who has sold out. OK, granted, he may have been bribed? Either way he has turned the reins over to the GOP. To me he looks troubled in the face, his aim is off at B-Ball. He seems depressed. Instead of leading the country, he's given up. He's just partying at the White House now, running out the clock. He is a broken/owned man. That suggests blackmail.

I wonder how Snowden would be handled if he went to the middle east as a Statesman, like McCain did, and fooled around with delicate foreign policies, trying to whip up conflict there? Yep, Obama would try him for treason? Depending on who sent him, I suppose. McCain walks away without so much as a scratch. Not even a formal reprimand. Snowden tells the Citizens of his knowledge of their 4th Amendment being stolen from them and suddenly this martyr/man of courage is "public enemy #1". No, the Public is who is being spied on without permission. The fascist oligarchy doing this are the ones who are furious with Snowden. The Public considers him a folk hero.

 

The president is not being blackmailed by anyone.

That's a stupid claim.

 

All his behaviors and broken promises...inability to stand up to the GOP under any conditions...going after his own as if ordered to by a higher authority... seem to suggest otherwise. Also his obvious depression and frustration. That's a man wearing invisible hand cuffs my friend..

 

I'm not a Democrat, but I don't see how Hillary would be that different.

The agendas of the government aren't that dependent on party. Social policy differs a bit between the parties, but economic policy and foreign policy are often quite similar regardless of who enters office.

Hillary would have probably made most of the same decisions Obama has -- especially in foreign policy. As for the NSA thing, this is unfortunately the sort of thing that has been around for quite some time.

Ever since the passage of FISA, the US government has expedited its progression toward a police state. Even before that, the FBI and CIA did plenty of shady things both here and abroad when it came to violating due process and privacy rights.

 

Hillary Clinton is an "in it for the money and glory" person. She does not suit me at all... too conservative... hell, she's a moderate Republican.

 

Just to let you know, he cannot close down GITMO. That's completely congressional.

 

That, and there appears to still be a lack of public support for this measure.

Usually, when this topic is brought up, people can't decide what to do with the suspects. Setting them all free isn't very palatable unless some sort of monitoring is involved.

 

Hillary 2016!!

 

No shat, he's sold out - sold out on his campaign promises, which he never intended to fulfill since he and Cheney, Bush, Clinton, et al, have been part of the same plot since the beginning.

Just a sec, I need to find my tinfoil hat...

 

Unfortunately, Hillary is too old. And a woman. Two strikes. If she was a younger woman, like she was in 2008, then the Country would benefit greatly from her leadership.

She is now unelectable. Not that she wouldn't get tons of votes. Not that I myself wouldn't vote for her. Just that the amount needed to tip the scales against someone as...um...heavy as say Chris Christie is going to fall short I'm afraid..

Surfer, re-read the OP. Hillary would be different for the democrats and their wishes because she was already raked through the coals when her husband was president. It's that lack of raking that has set our Obama vulnerable to blackmail and having his arm wrenched behind his back; as it so obviously is..

Obama didn't sell out. He's being blackmailed. And that wouldn't have happened with Hillary. Oh what a difference a vetted candidate makes in the actual carrying-out part of a political platform v mere words and fluff with little delivery.

I'm thinking the blackmail really ratched up upon Obama's attempts [failed] at single payer vs this joke he calls "Obamacare", that poor have to fall into a tiny tiny income bracket to qualify for; while working poor get the shaft...again... and upon his somewhat shaky attempts at green energy implementation. Electric cars revived will be his best namesake. I just hope we keep a democrat in long enough to continue to implement scaling back of carbon and a complete dismantling of nuclear. We will die as a species and take many others with us if we don't get a handle on those two paramount issues..

 

Maybe she'd be different image wise, but I care more about policy.

The only way we're going to see significant differences in policy is to open up the system to third parties being more than just spoiler votes.

 

You're actually trying now to not get the point Surfer. How can a non-vetted leader with skeletons in his closet and leverage his opponents have on him enact policies they don't like?

Rhetorical question. The answer of course is that he cannot. He's in a bind. He can do nothing but what his enemies want. Properly, Obama's "failures" are the GOP's failures...if you really want to trace ownership....

 

Are you suggesting that Hillary wouldn't be bought by Goldman Sachs?

I don't see much reason to believe that.

 

This is the fallacy, that somehow a different candidate or party would be different. FFS, Hillary was the FIRST to claim Assange had "blood on his hands" and that he was an "enemy of America." Even McCain isn't that callow.

Look, the 'war on terror' has been around 13 years. Soon, an entire generation will have known nothing but war in their lifetime, the first time in its history that has ever happened

The military industrial complex including the likes of Dow Chemical, Monsanto and the weapons manufacturers is the most power political influence in the US. War is still the best industry for America.

There isn't a Democrat nor Republican whose stupid enough to deny those forces their profits.

So, the war on terror cannot end.....there are too many people whose livelihoods depend on it, the weapons makers, spies, torturers, Homeland Security agents, TSA goons et alia. No, to even get the money needed to run for the presidency you kind of HAVE to keep it all going...otherwise Gitmo would have been closed February 1, 2009.

Whenever a president does something, there is usually political capital involved. Whenever a president fails to do something, it's either incompetence or political necessity.

Note this...as I write Obama is blathering about telling the State Department NOT to approve the Keystone Pipeline if there is any chance it will mean an increase in greenhouse gasses.

Nice try Barrie, but you and I both know that pipeline is a done deal.

 

I agree, although the one thing I would differ on is that there is one lobby even more powerful than the MIC -- Wall Street.

Banks somewhat influence the MIC, but they are even more powerful in our system.

 

I would venture to say that Wall Street is a central figure in the MIC; their interests are never in opposition. Add in the automobile industry, chemical companies, contract security firms, agri-giants [and especially chemical/food giants like DOW and Monsanto - agent orange with your MRE anyone?] airlines, airline industries, aircraft manufacturers, the aluminum industry, and, of course, the medical and medical facilities industries - 'bullets and bandages'.

when you build war planes that cost in excess of $100 million each, the contracts for the insulation on the wiring can mean a lifetime of ease for a lot of people. Even better when those big price tags are for "disposable assets".

 

Hey, Obama still openly advocates unlimited cunnilingus and fellatio. That's enough to keep most o the Dems happy, who are one of three types of peoples, pervs, thugs, or slugs.

Patriotism, pride in country, self reliance, independence, resourcefulness, marriage between a man and a woman, that's just so nineteenth century.

"If you own a succesful business, you didn't build that" BHO