Death Penalty II

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  1. Shangrila

    Shangrila staff Past Donor

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    Now what? Here we go again, this time a case which is not quite as clear cut. Read, read other links, let me know if this man is indeed guilty, so much so, that there is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind whether he should be put to death.


    http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...docId=CNG.89b124e773c6333e7ba7f7550dbdcd03.81
     
  2. Shangrila

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    No worries about an innocent man being put to death?
     
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    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I think it's pretty screwed up, but it's unfortunately typical of our system.

    I support the allowance for the Death Penalty, but I think it's used far too often by several states, like Texas and North Carolina.

    Davis's situation is a good example of why it should be used sparingly.
     
  4. Shangrila

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    It would have been best to include a poll, but time ran out.
    With more and more people speaking about their doubts in the case, one can only hope and pray that justice will prevail.
     
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  6. Shangrila

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    What's BO gotta do with it? If anything, the man should get a new trial.
    He should, however, not be put to death, on that we agree.
     
  7. Shangrila

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    Good Lord, help this man.
     
  8. Makedde

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    I hope he isn't innocent, I really do. How must it feel to know you are being killed for something you didn't even do. And how would the person who killed him feel when they find they killed an innocent man?

    At the very least, he should have a fresh trial.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    If you could prove 100% that someone was guilty I wouldn't have a problem with execution. However, I don't believe in 100% proof of anything and so............


    Western justice systems are supposed to work on the notion that it's better to set the guilty free than punish the innocent, but in executing someone you get rid of that chance.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    From the opinions of some of the Americans on this forum, I get the impression that many of them simply don't care that there might be doubt as to a persons guilt.
     
  11. bambu

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    Wouldn't like to be a Black man in the South, past or present!

    No thank you!

    The death chamber is being prepared for tomorrow's execution-homiciding of a human being...[a likely innocent man seems to me]

    A total outrage!

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/clemenc...es-final-death-row-appeal-20110921-1kjy2.html

    Clemency denied: US killer loses final death row appeal

    video;

    A US parole board has denied clemency to Troy Davis, clearing the way for his execution in a case that has become an international cause celebre for death penalty opponents.

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    But Davis repeatedly has maintained his innocence and his supporters pointed to a corrupted justice system in the deep South, saying a black man was wrongly and hastily convicted of killing a white police officer.

    "I am utterly shocked and disappointed at the failure of our justice system at all levels to correct a miscarriage of justice," Davis lawyer Brian Kammer said as rights groups and anti-death penalty activists rushed to condemn the decision.


    Amnesty International said the prosecution's case against Davis long ago had been shown to be flawed.


    "Ten people have pointed to one of the remaining witnesses as the actual killer.
    There is no murder weapon that links Davis to the crime. Any notion of physical evidence that demonstrates Davis' guilt has been debunked."


    @@@@@

    Wouldn't be the first time just any ol' innocent Black person has been grabbed, tried and convicted of a crime in the South, eh?

    Another 'nail' in Obama's 'coffin' if Davis is execution-homicided, killed in cold blood in a death chamber.

    Obama won't likely do anything, trouble is with Obama he doesn't stand for anything much...just goes with the flow.
     
  12. bambu

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    So do I...as I get the same impression from other forums in America.

    I get the impression that the majority of Americans don't care that he might be innocent.

    The mentality of most Americans seems to be that:

    "As long as evil killers are exterminated [in US death chambers] it doesn't matter if a few [innocent people get executed] slip thru the cracks]".

    It's not them or theirs so they don't care.
     
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    3 separate posts for ease of reading.

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    And from Georgia itself:


    http://www.ajc.com/news/savannahians-divided-on-davis-1185170.html

    Savannahians divided on Davis case, but seek closure


    SAVANNAH -- Troy Davis’ impending death has drawn impassioned protesters to the streets from Hong Kong to Paris, but in Savannah, the city where, for decades, almost everyone has known Davis' story, people are largely eager to move on.

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    But all seem weary of the headlines.

    “About half are interested and the other half are over it and just want to turn on the game,” she said.

    Marc Friday, who as the general manager of Planters Inn is heavily involved in tourism efforts, said that, in those circles, few talk about the Davis case.

    “It’s been a non-issue,” he said. “Unless something like this affects business, people are less apt to one, get involved, and two, pay attention.”


    @@@@@ @@@@@

    Pathetic!

    Remind me never to set foot in Georgia, buy anything from Georgia, ...and have everyone I know do the same.

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    Friday, whose family is involved with law enforcement, said for years he accepted the outcome of the trial. Now he has second thoughts.

    “It’s become too messy for it to be clean,” he said. “If there’s this much controversy, something is not right somewhere.”

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    She believes his execution will cast a pall over the city and beyond.


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    She got that right!

    He will die, ...and Savannah, and Georgia will forever be stained with his blood.

    Forever...and the stain will never be able to be washed off.


    Nailed to the cross of injustice, he will live forever as a martyr...against the disgraceful justice system that saw him put to death, and the people of Savannah and wider Georgia who didn't care...rather watch the game.

    ...and Obama will stand condemned!
     
  14. Shangrila

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    The fact that this thread doesn't get much traction must mean that people don't care if an innocent man is being put to death.

    Folks, we can't reverse this.
     
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    Leftys have no problem killing babies, but executing a convicted murder...

    not so much...
     
  16. Shangrila

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    He may be guilty or not. Doesn't that bother you?
     
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    Because it's a state execution, the President can't stop it - he can't offer a pardon or clemency to Davis.

    He could put pressure on the Supreme Court to accept the case for review, or he could pressure Georgia to halt the execution pending another review, but that's all.
     
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    He should have been executed many years ago, the worthless POS!
     
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    This is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution --

    Even though I'm a proponent of capital punishment, I believe that Georgia should postpone the execution of Troy Davis, and take one last look at this case.

    Let the witnesses who have recanted their testimony tell their stories - with the understanding that if any of them admit to having lied in court, they will be charged with perjury.

    I dont want to see an innocent man put to death, and it won't hurt anything to take another look at this case - Davis isn't going anywhere.
     
  20. bambu

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    Quite correct.

    It's not them or theirs, so they don't care.

    One day it just might be them or theirs that the cops and the govt man shaft...


    [...it was Black teen mom Sabrina Butler, innocent but on death row awaiting the death chamber extermination.
    She didn't even know she could appeal until another inmate told her, it was basically a fluke that she was ever granted a retrial and found innocent of killing her cot death baby].

    ..and no one much will care then either...karma will see them or theirs execution-homicided in the death chamber.
    And it'll be all their own fault.

    Nazi Germany had death chambers too.

    Another premeditated, cold-blooded death chamber 'murder' by the Texas state is happening today as well.


    In 'backward and racist Australia' we stopped the cops and the govt man shafting and 'murdering' us in death chambers...decades ago.

    We'd had more than enough of police and govt corruption among other things.
    The 6th Commandment, and the Eureka Stockade oath our 'rights and liberties' which we said/say doesn't include the possibility of being innocent and execution-exterminated by the cops/politicians...saw us continue the fight until we won.

    Convicted of a crime, any crime, the govt must keep us alive...life in prison its only final option.

    The lynch mob was circling Lindy Chamberlain's trial.
    She was convicted of murdering her baby Azaria...[the movie 'Evil Angels' starred Maryl Streep]...and sentenced to life in prison hard labor.

    After 6 years baby Azaria's little jacket was found near a dingoes' lair at Uluru, the jacket Lindy swore under oath Azaria was wearing when "a dingo took my baby".
    They said she was a liar.
    She got a retrial.
    "Oops, sorry about that Lindy, you are now free, here's some compensation, have a nice life".
    Lucky the death penalty had been abolished by then! :)

    If only there were such rights and liberties for Troy Davis and all Americans.

    www.innocenceproject.org
     
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    But he's not doing either...his silence is deafening...so he stands condemned.

    He's more concerned with the Palestinians, obviously.

    "Yes we can"...baaah.

    And Troy Davis is a Black man!
     
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    Convicted...in the US justice system...does not mean your guilty!

    Govt misconduct...forensic science misconduct...corruption...lies.

    All detailed here:

    See the faces of the exonerated!

    www.innocenceproject.org




    Stop the Execution of Troy Davis

    Troy Davis is scheduled to be executed September 21 in Georgia despite strong evidence of his innocence. The Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles has denied his request for clemency, and we’re calling on Chatham County District Attorney Larry Chisolm to seek a withdrawal of the death warrant.
     
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    You'd think the South would've had enough of killing by now.
     
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    Lindy Chamberlain was a travesty. What would we have done if we had executed her? She maintained her innocence for years, and she was eventually proved to be telling the truth.
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/ga-executes-davis-supporters-claim-injustice-031409578.html

    Really people? Justice, with that much doubt?
    I hope this man's death gnaws on the minds of those who sought revenge, wakes them up at night wondering.....
     

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