Democrats are the Conservative Party.

Progressive is a branding label, the Democratic Party is the conservative party. Joe Biden is a president that doesn’t want to do anything besides go back to normal.

Is there anything more conservative than that?

Republicans are a reactionary party who don’t want to do anything either, but want to whine about every article they see.

Change my mind.

 

Democrats haven’t had a progressive party for decades.

 

Seems to me 'the left' indeed wants to conserve the decades or more long slow roll into global authoritarian collectivism via corporate-driven fiat bureaucracy that will ultimately bring us to technocratically driven neofeuadalism, while 'the right' is trying to reverse it and return to the classical liberal ideals that foundationally center around the rights of the individual that brought us out of feudalism centuries ago. So generally, I agree, though perhaps not in the way you meant.

 

Why does your mind have to be changed? I mean, you feel the way you do because of some kind of data processing in your brain, right?

It wouldn't have mattered who got elected POTUS after Orange Jesus. NOBODY could be worse. We could have elected Scooby Doo and he'd be classified as "normal" comparatively.

 

Global Authoritarian Collectivism is just Capitalism.

And please tell me when “the right” gave a damn about anyone’s individual rights when it wasn’t the money of the Global Elite.

 

It was some amalgamation of data in my brain, yes. I just want to hear some refutation of my perspective.

And we definitely could have had worse. Four more years of Trump would have probably collapsed the Empire.

 

Global authoritarian collectivism = corporatism, which is what happens to capitalism when we authorize govt to regulate out the winners and losers.

The right to bear arms, the right to voice political dissent (with the exception of flag burning, which I agree the right is hypocritical on), the right to not be vaccinated, the right to local autonomy over centralized authority... and to be clear, I'm talking about The People here, not our corrupt 'leadership'.

 

Political dissent only when it is convenient doesn’t count. And the right to bear arms is only because the NRA acts as a propaganda slush fund for weapon manufacturers, just serving the Corporate Elite. And no one is forced to get vaccinated, just a vacant talking point. As is the right to local autonomy, usually just an excuse to roll back pollution regulations.

Another check from the Corporate Elite.

You want to talk about people, but do you really think most people who vote Democrat want to confiscate guns, embrace censorship, force vaccinate people, and liquidate their local government?

That’s just gullible.

 

True. I meant anybody running against him was automatically granted "Thank God you are normal (even if you're not, you can't possibly be worse than the meglomaniac, self-absorbed man child in diapers)!" card.

 

Corporatism is just an evolution of Capitalism. Feudalism with corporations instead of Lords. The neo-recationary movement is pretty into this, they’re the weirdo “right wing” people. Sort of like the oxymoronic Anarcho-Capitalist clown dicks.

 

I think Democratic partisans should be horrified by the thin herd of future candidates. The party actively looks to suppress voices that should be heard and promotes party loyalists that are blander than rice cakes.

 

I do believe that one of the reasons Biden won independents, swing voters, the non-affiliated 54-41 over Trump is the desire to get things back to normal. A return to saner times. But that isn't necessary conservative. The Democratic Party certainly doesn't have a conservative ideology or agenda. Of course, you're right about the GOP also. They have forsaken their traditional conservative ideology to follow a man who has no political ideology or philosophy. This should be self evident for a man who switched parties 7 times. Trump was or should I say adopted whichever political philosophy of the party he happen to belong to at the time.

There's no doubt the Democratic Party has a progressive agenda. One of the reasons besides a desire to return to normal and a saner time independents went for Biden was he had the reputation of being a moderate Democrat. Which could be equated to the old Liberal Rockefeller Republicans of the Northeast a long time ago.

Thus, knowing the Democratic controlled congress is trying to push Biden to the far left, into supporting progressive ideals, that could, I said could lead to disaster in 2022. Independents, swing voters voted for a moderate Democrat, not a progressive one. My advice to Democrats would be to keep that in mind.

Looking back, a traditional conservative believes in fiscal responsibility, meaning basically a balance budget, not spending more than you take in. That went out the window with Reagan and every other Republican president since. A traditional conservative also believes in small government or a government that stays out of a citizens private business and lives. This went out the window with the rise of the religious right. So I would say the Republican Party isn't the party of conservatism in the traditional sense.Today, they follow a man, not an ideology.

I'd say the democrats are the party of the left, of big government, huge spending and debt, having government basically run an individual citizens daily life, telling the citizen what they can and can't do, what they can and can't say through political correctness and woke.

Needless to say, this old traditional conservative feels very isolate and totally alone in today's political environment.

 

I agree with most of your post with some caveats.

I believe the political correctness runs in both parties. Just look at how the Republican Party acts about history, they’ve set the standard of “if you criticize America, you’re Un-American.” Plus the freak out about kneeling during the National Anthem, what horror?

I don’t believe the Democratic Party has a progressive agenda. Their main hurdle has been giving transgender people non-discrimination rights. Honestly, that’s pretty conservative within our society. It’s consistent with how our laws are interpreted, that is a conservative principal.

i don’t completely agree that a budget cut is a conservative principal. Even classical liberals knew that economics required investment. I don’t think investing in your nation is against conservative principal, it is a basic fundamental of economics.

I’m with you, I don’t really have a home either. But I think more people feel that way than we are led to believe.

 

What the heck are you talking about? You made no sense. Conservative means small government, lower taxes, capitalism and the bill of rights. Democrats are showing none of these traits. In fact, they are supporting the communists in Cuba, China, Russia and Venezuela. In fact, did you just catch what happened with Biden and his administration stating that they are using Facebook as their means to silence Republicans. This is the very definition of Fascism. The government in bed with private businesses that are outlets for free speech stifling free speech. Ever wonder how communism starts? This is how. You bet I'm reacting to Fascism and communism from the Biden and Democrat Party's attack on Capitalism and Freedom of speech, religion and all other freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

 

It doesn't really matter because the Ds and the Rs agree on that ONE point - no third parties. They will scrape the bottom of the barrel and throw whomever in front of the line but they aren't breaking with these two dysfunctional groups going head-to-head. Why would they do any extra work when they don't have to?

 

Looks like you did elect Scooby Doo. About par for the course.

 

I suppose the, “if you criticize America, You’re Un-American,” could be placed into the political correctness column. I think that’s a stretch, but you’re correct in that is what the Republican Party do. Political correctness was started by the Democrats, used in my opinion to stymie stating opposition or a different political viewpoint. There’s too much of that from both sides of the aisle. Trying to use a word like patriotism for political purposes, that’s a no, no with me which is what Trump supporters do.


I’m old fashioned here, I firmly believe in the old adage of I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it.


I also believe when it comes to abortion, gay marriage, etc. government should stay out of that. Let love decide who gets married, not government. Let the woman decide whether or not she gets an abortion, not government. I do think all this fuss over which bathroom a transgender can use was pretty asinine. I don’t care. I’ve been places in my time where there’s one bathroom, everyone uses it, male, female etc.I do think we have hang-ups here that other countries don’t.

Right now I’m fed up with both major parties. We need to move on, get out of today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the mega, super, ultra-high partisanship. Where Democrats automatically oppose anything and everything the Republicans propose and vice versa, where Republicans automatically oppose anything and everything the Democrats propose. Not one thought is given to the merits of the proposals. I look back at 2000, where after that election, the senate ended up in a 50-50 tie. Lott and Daschle came up with a power sharing agreement.


https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/05/senate.powershare/index.html


Something like that should have happened this time. It didn’t, but that’s this modern political era we live in. I firmly believe that the R or a D has become much more important than the big A, America. Okay, rant’s over.

 

Lol. OP is right. Democrats do want things the way they used to be. As in back to the Roman Empire times

 

Saying who started what is a child’s game. Seems politicians and a noticeable amount of partisans around here have bought into acting like children.

The game has escalated to the point where absolute BS is passed around as fact. And if it fits your doctrine you buy into it. Here is what’s funny, it’s not that true among real people. When you actually talk to someone (you know, in person) it’s harder to see them as that fantasy villain we’re taught to hate.

 

Is your party just Joe Biden? Is supporting riots and burning down cities, and letting men show their penis to little girls in dressing rooms, because they identify as not having a penis, normal?

 

Returning to normal when leaving normal is insanity and chaos, is not conservatism, it's just a desire for a normal life.

There is nothing conservative about Biden.

 

Not in the least.

 

Why would I? When you're correct there is no need. Historically conservatives support business over the individual and that describes the Democratic party.

 

the usa seems to have 2 conservative parties, but that is not unusual in a 2 party system.