dems: please do not impeach or invoke the 25th

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  1. clovisIII

    clovisIII Well-Known Member

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    I can not be clearer.
    I had been expecting a day like January 6th since 2016. My only surprise was that it did not come way sooner. I had always expected Trump not to finish his term (scandal, boredom, crime, dementia something like that) but I thought I was mistaken. And frankly I have often been very very very wroing in my prognostication (thought Gore and Hillary were she ins)
    Now however is really not the time.
    Trump has become a political pariah, and like W Bush who screwed the pooch so bad that it blackened the future of all Bush family members in politics (remember he was the middle of a long Bush dynasty and there were many other Bushes waiting to take their turn); Trump has managed to make sure that Ivanka, Jared, and Junior and hilself were no longer welcome in mainstream politics.
    The only thing that Trump does well is play the victim. I don't know why whining, kicking, and screaming works so well for him (you would think that repubs who see themselves as rugged individualists woudld hate his bellyaching, but somehow it appeals to their sense of vitimhood) but it does.
    So please dems do not give that man any ammunition.
    Let him go off into his world of tawdry grift. I think he will end up as relevant as Sarah Palin. Loved in some small corners, getting wealthy off of this love, but by and large irrelevant.
    If you impeach, you give him that unconditional support of those who felt cheated
     
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    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, this reeks of bias..

    first, the chances of invoking 25th amendment are low. Second, chances of impeachment before inauguration, are low. Mcconnell has already sent a memo stating unless 100% of senators agree to it, no action to be taken before 01/19. Don't you worry

    but here's why your post reeks of bias. You claim you feared this moment yet you don't seem to care about the numerous riots/violence at the hands of radical left, that has become normalized by the left, with very few on the left condemning them and if they have, only under immense pressure and ever so passive and lethargic.

    Did you post here, after every time of these, how many, 50 or so riots over past year? did you come here and post the same?

    Did you fear violence when Maxine Waters called on the people to rise against republicans and confront them wherever they go, in public places? You do remember the shootings against republican congressmen? Did you fear any of these riots, incited by the media and the left when they constantly demonized police? Doesn't seem so, this is why your post cannot be taken seriously...

    lastly, Trump has 80mm+ Americans on his side, the left and the tech giants will not be able to silence him; in fact, their actions will make him more powerful

    many on the left have been angering the people and inciting violence for 4 years, via partisan impeachments, partisan investigations, demonization of police, targeting of conservatives. People are angry.... i would like to see you be honest with yourself and hold all sides accountable to the standard you claim you want to hold Trump to. Be consistent.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Impeachment hearings can continue after Trump leaves office, and if Mitch allows the hearings to start on the 19th, a Senate led by Democrats can continue - Mitch
    is kinda throwing Trump under the bus without actually being part of it. I doubt that even a Dem. led Senate can get the 2/3 majority it needs - but after
    the events last week, it's not impossible. Trump's popularity took a nose dive in the last few days - mainly with Republicans.
     
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    I do not want to see the scumbag Dirty Donald receiving one dime more of taxpayer money or government protection he deserve nothing but public scorn and complete ignoring for the remainder of his despicable life.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He already has it...

    If impeached he will not receive secret service protections, lose his travel allowances and his pension will be revoked.
    They may also order that he can never hold federal office again, anywhere.

    F*** his cult, remove him
     
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    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    i don't disagree republicans have fled Trump but i bet you that after weeks, months go by, people will see things more clearly. As is always the case, the left takes advantage of emotional events like these to concoct narratives that are not accurate. For sure Trump riled up his supporters with allegations of fraud but NEVER did he ask them to storm capitol. As time goes by, many will see it this way, some may still not like the rhetoric. Similarly, Ted Cruz and many house members never asked to overturn election, just demanded an audit of results and election reform. The false narratives usually are debunked with time, dems always try to capitalize on false narratives during periods of high emotion when people's judgements are impaired.

    but impeaching him after he leaves office would be mostly symbolic and get biden administration started with a circus act, is that really how we want to start? There is really no point in impeaching at this point... unless there was indication Trump would try to abuse his power over military.. everyone knows that won't happen, any sane person knows that.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Here is a video of your boy having a view party prior to his mindless idiot seditious traitors he calls patriots storming the Capitol.



    This dude is an unhinged criminal wannabe dictator.
     
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    have no idea what you just said or posted, seeing ghosts, are we?
     
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    Your POTUS is having a view party watching his unhinged traitors he got riled up with lies storming the Capitol. Is this the Man you support? Do you support his seditious actions and lies?
     
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    these radical trump terrorists will crawl back under their rocks or have the rocks dropped on them.
     
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    I would have though the same 4 months ago, now I'm not sure.
    We don't know just how much legal trouble Trump knows he is in. We know there are subpoenas waiting for Trump from the NY State Attorneys office,
    and we know that Dominion is probably going to sue him for over $1 billion dollars (his lawyer has already been served).

    Trump is backed into a corner. He may try crazy crap.
     
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    clovisIII Well-Known Member

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    OK. Let me teach you a little something about bias.
    Nowhere in my post do I claim to fear the moment that arrived on January 6th. You read that into my text. That is bias on your part
    nowhere do I make a judgement on what happened on January 6th. You read that into my text. that is bias on your part.
    My post deals only with the political ramifications of the fallout of January 6th and what the political options and their consequences are for the democratic party going forward. Like you, I don't think that impeachment or the 25th will happen, but there again, you read into my statement that this was a possibility. Again, bias.
    Now, if you want to try and be objective and contribute to this conversation about what the political implications of the dems impeaching the president(again); I am all ears. Would be interesting to hear from the other side of the aisle if you think this will hurt or help Trump's political future to be impeached. I think it woulld help him (hence why I am opposed to it). What do you think?
     
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    disagree, impeach him, if this is not the time to impeach... when is

    diaper Donald will whine no matter what, eventually the right will tire of it
     
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    Impeaching him is the right thing to do.

    He stood in front of the white house and incited insurrection. He can't be allowed to get away with such irresponsibility. the world is watching and history is judging.
     
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    Ammunition? He's got nukes! What more ammunition that would be more destructive than that could dems possibly give him? The purpose of impeachment is to take ammunition away from him!

    Impeaching Trump is not for political gain. It's to avert that the guy does any more damage than what he has already done.

    Same as it was in January last year. Look at the consequences of not having removed him then!
     
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    this is not just about Trump, it's about future Presidents, what Trump has done was wrong, the house should impeach to send a message that this is wrong
     
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    agreed. Let's get rid of:

    Maxine Waters for asking people to confront republicans in public spaces
    AOC, rep. Omar for inciting violence against police, calling for defunding them
    Schumer, Pelosi for enraging millions of Americans with fake sham impeachment and supporting BLM/antify riots



    Let's teach all politicians a lesson - stop inciting racial tensions, tensions against police and stop riling up the American people, dividing us more and more

    whilst we are at it, let's make sure we get rid of Don Lemon, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carslen, andersoon cooper, Rachel Maddow and all the irresponsible media people that take to the air waves getting people riled up, pretty much at all hours of the day

    Lastly, let's ban thousands more people from social media, starting with leader of Iran who has called for destruction of Isreal, yet he has a twitter account which Mr. Dorsey doesn't want to ban. Sure, ban president of US who riled up his supporters claiming fraud, BUT NEVER ASKED THEM TO COMMIT VIOLENCE but keep the Iran leader's account active, who has advocated for genocide.

    We we stand together?
     
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    nice try, Trump's GA call alone should be enough to impeach, but also his calling members of congress while the attacks were happening to get them to overturn the election, Trump was attempting a coup, he should be impeached over it

    if lying about a consensual affair is enough to impeach... this for sure is
     
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    nice dodge, just exposed you, you only camp on one side and complicit in that's side hypocrisy and offenses
     
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    One of the main reasons to impeach him even after he leaves office is that would bar him for ever holding a federal office again.
     
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    nope, if anyone of either side does what Trump did, they should be impeached

    it's you that has been exposed
     
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    Reality, the Republican in both houses have been covertly doing that since he was sworn in.. What Trump achieved in four years was monumental considering the lack of support he was given by his own party in Washington.. I hope the the mid term sends the Republican elites back to public life with a boot implanted deep in their ass's ;)
     
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    All false equivalencies are specious statements by definition. It seems you are unable to identify a crime occuring in plain sight.
     

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