Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?

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Did Trump or campaign staff collude or try to collude?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    57.1%
  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Your last question is a good one, a thoughtful one, & one that deserves consideration by everyone living in the maelstrom of any legal investigation &/or legal action. In my personal life, I've had little connection with legal anything, but recall the little I've had as painful. Your post & your question poses an important reality for any of us under duress from legal investigations. Like Caputo, we're all at risk. It appears there's no law existing now to protect any of us from being victimized by such intrusions, but it's worth proposing that some legal protections be passed by our Congress.
     
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    Sometimes sound bites are true. The only real beneficiaries so far of the Trump administration are the rich and of course his new swamp which appears more corrupt than any government in recent memory.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Why would you make such an idiotic assumption?
     
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    The Barr report referenced the Trump tower meeting? Are you talking about the attempted collusion and then the almost endless lies about the meeting. Please provide the quotes from the Barr report.

    About the only fact I can gain from the Barr report is that Trump lied repeatedly when he denied any Russian attempts at influencing the election on Trump's behalf.
     
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    That is what every sucker believes.
     
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    This is what the Barr report actually says. Not quite the same.


    As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”1
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Are you saying he excluded it from his investigation?
     
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    Nope but the claim that it was referenced in the Barr memo is just not true. When, if ever we see the actual Mueller report we will know just exactly how many lies by Don Jr. And Trump were actually made in reference to the meeting. Many have already been documented butbwho knows the actual total except perhaps Mueller.
     
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  9. Bluesguy

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    Yep they couldn't find, no evidence of it. Further belief as fact is folly and purely partisan.
     
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    Couldn't establish is different from not finding any evidence.
     
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    It means here was not evidence to support a charge. The AG, the DAG, the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel all agreed.
    What you got to refute them all. Where was the obstruction of justice and when did it occur?
     
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    If he lied to investigators he would be indicted. AGAIN NO NEW INDICTMENTS. NO COLLUSION. Mueller investigated it IT was supposed to be THE COLLUSION and it was a nothing burger.
     
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    Actually we will only know that when and if the full Mueller report is released. At this point all we have is Barr's statement which given his obvious biases cannot and should not be taken at face value.

    And if you actually bothered to read and understand what Mueller's job actually was you would know that " collusion" wasn't his job.

    And the one good thing so far is that Trump has stopped claiming that Russia didn't attempt to interfere with the election.

    Oh, and just because you lied doesn't meAn you will be indicted. Trump is proof of that!
     
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    Thank you for agreeing that not enough evidence to support a charge doesn't mean the absence of all evidence. And Mueller's job was never to charge the President.
     
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    Didn't say "enough" did I but I agree there is not enough evidence to charge you with rape.

    And yes that is the job of prosecutors.
     
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    Laughingly funny how fir two years you guys have been saying just wait for the Mueller report and all will be exposed and now you throw it and him under the bus.
    Actually we know it now and Mueller who worked with all parties involved in releasing the summary report has not contradicted it andbis currently working with all parties involved for the release of what information can be legally released.
     
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    You've seen the Mueller Report? Post it for all of us to read!
     
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    I've seen the official summary report of the findings which Mueller and Barr and Rosenstein and the Office of Legal Counsel at the DOJ worked to release. What do you have that contradicts it?
     
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    FREE MUELLER!
     
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    That contradicts what?
     
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    The summary report as you well know what I clearly asked about. English not your first language?

    I've seen the official summary report of the findings which Mueller and Barr and Rosenstein and the Office of Legal Counsel at the DOJ worked to release. What do you have that contradicts it?
     
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    Everyone is innocent unless proven guilty. The important thing is that Mueller did not find him guilty by the evidence. And Mueller's the Prosecutor.
     
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    No YOU have to prove it is factual which you have refused for these two years, burden of proof is on the accuser. Then you can answer the question who paid for it.
     
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    There were attempts by the Russians which were all rebuffed by the Trump campaign but the DNC and Clinton campaign sought and paid for and attempted to collude and did collude with a foreign agent to get dirt from Russia.
     
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    We'll, whatever you do, don't go picking my lottery numbers. Dreams are not evidence.
     
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