Do any other countries pay a bounty for covid-19 deaths?

Paying a death bounty is common in US history thru today. Many other countries have done so. This included everything from wolves, coyotes, snakes etc - and even humans (Indians). The motive of course is the government wanting those species/people killed.

But bringing in a skin or scalp to collect the bounty doesn't really prove the person did the desired killing. They person could be lying. They might have just found the animal dead and skinned it or found a dead person and scalped the corpse - having killed no one. A human scalp might just be a from an already dead Indian, instead by a grave robber and even rather an already dead black haired tanned white men - lying about the cause of death for the bounty money.

A doctor, law enforcement, mortician etc who has dead bodies of paupers and drifters could use black haired scalps for bounties - meaning the person didn't die the way the bounty collector claims. Maybe the person died of some other cause - the government having no way to contest the bounty payment claim.

Why not get the free money for nothing but a little lie? Of course, someone could murder white people and scalp them, claiming they were Indians too.

The US government pays massive bounties for covid-19 deaths - ONLY covid-19 deaths. It also pays for medical treatment if - and ONLY if - the person is suffering from covid-19 deaths - and NO testing proof required. The government pays all medical costs and the sums are massive.

For example:
According to the US Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] which oversees the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, under the federal coronavirus aid relief bill known as the CARES Act, hospitals get an extra 20% in Medicare reimbursements on top of traditional rates due to the public health emergency.
Of that second-round money, HHS reported 63 California hospitals received $50,000 for each eligible coronavirus patient they admitted between Jan. 1 and June 10, 2020. That's a combined total of more than $607 million.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...ated/103-36834bad-1113-4f67-8804-5d97e6593745

An old person dies of pneumonia? No bounty is paid. An old person dies of covid-19? A huge bounty for the death is paid. Many hospitals are in desperate need of money. That money could be used to save lives~! So why not lie when lying saves lives?

Would you tell a harmless lie to save a life? I would. But doctors wouldn't? Wouldn't it be unethical for a doctor to let people die for not being willing to tell a little harmless lie falsely claiming a death was a covid-19 death? The lie doesn't hurt anyone, it helps people, saving their lives. Shouldn't doctors and hospitals do about anything to save lives of patients?

Does any country other than the USA pay premiums, bonuses, bounties, or whatever you want to call it for covid-19 deaths they other do not pay for death?

 

I'm still mulling over Elon Musk's remarkable 2 neg, 2 pos tests in a 24hr period. If true, and I imagine he has the money to obtain "the best" of what's available.... then just HOW many deaths attributed to Covid-19 ACTUALLY WERE? Now I know EVERYTHING we've been told from the get-go has been the truth and NOTHING but the truth (yeah, snark here), but 50-50 on test results? Yes, JakeJ, as I'm sure you're aware, in this world it's ALWAYS about the $$$$$$$.

 

So, hospitals get an additional 20% for medicare patients with Covid-19, and "high impact area" hospitals - those bearing the brunt of the pandemic and struggling to help their communities in the face of enormous logistical and financial challenges - get $50,000 per patient, to hep them survive and continue to do what they do tirelessly.

Yet to you, it's a golden opportunity to question the integrity of the medical professionals doing just that, working (though that would be an understatement) to help others.

If only you had one-thousandth of their human decency.

 

It isn't "decency" to falsely claim patients had (or died from) COVID just to milk the government out of more money, whilst artificially inflating the inaccurate and fearmongering case numbers in the process.

 

If you would let poor people die because you will not tell a harmless lie, I'm not the one with the decency challenge.

I did not question the integrity of the medical profession whatsoever. I question the accuracy of the statistics.

 

There is an ethical conflict that was thrown in the face of the medical community. The government should have just ramped up ALL payments in general, not create a death reporting bounty.

 

Or require COVID testing before paying what you're calling "bounties".

 

Man, these Right Wing and Republicans unclear on the concept!

Most of the medical care in the USA is paid by these "bounties"!

Break a leg - a hospital and the doctors and the labs etc gets a bounty!

Have a heart attack? The medical establishments all get bounties!

ALL the rest of the 1st World medical care sets up a infrastructure to provide medical care same way house fires are handled - there is an infrastructure of people and equipment to handle any fires that might occur.

The USA pays TWICE the costs for HALF the services of every other 1st World medical systems, and the USA ignores or miserably provide about 20% or more of the USA, while the of the 1st World provides care for 100%.

While the USA has 500,000 medical bankruptcies, the rest of that world has almost no medical bankruptcies.

Its funny to listen to the COVID deniers try to justify for the Republican bankrupt system!

 

I suggest your local hospital opts out of this scheme. Don't complain when your hospital is forced to close due to paying out the much higher costs of treating Covid patients than any other patients and the loss of elective surgery

 

It isn't decency to suggest that medical professionals are making false claims.

 

I would have no need to lie, harmlessly or otherwise. That's exactly what the payments are for - to help with the extra burden of Covid-19, so that they can help poor people. In short, the help's available, no lying required; no need to let anyone die needlessly.

Quite clearly you do question their integrity. You suggest that COVID-19 payments are a "death reporting bounty" and, as such, an "ethical conflict thrown in the face of the medical community". The implication is very clear.

 

They admit they are counting cases and deaths as COVID without testing because they get paid more.

ROFL at your misguided ideas of "decency". A lie is a lie, period, it isn't "decent" to lie when it supports your views, and "indecent" to point it out. A spade is a spade.

ALL of this could be fixed easily by requiring COVID testing to support COVID claims, and before paying out COVID bonuses.

 

NO ONE DOES!!

For a start most other countries have a UHC and doctors get paid flat rate per hour not by the patient

For this even to be a “thing” you would have to have hundreds of thousands of medical staff world wide involved!

Sheesh!

 

Government financial mismanagement carries unintended consequences. Nothing new there.

 

This whole thread is a poke in the eye to all those who have lost relatives who were healthcare workers who died treating others

 

~ Yes but then the actual China Coronavirus count may be significantly lower and the government would not be able to scare us into obedience . Trump may even look good ! Can't have that.
That's my conspiracy theory. I like it.

 

If you've kept up with the opioid phenomenon in this country for the last 15 years or so, and were honest with yourself in the process, you would know that medical professionals, for money and other considerations, prescribed those pills for many and enabled the disgusting crisis that resulted.

Bad news for you: medical professionals are mere humans, and that means they can be bought. They can be paid to write untruths, and to prescribe dangerous drugs on massive scales.

Yes, most medical professionals have high ethical standards, but in the end many are mercenaries. Money talks and bullshit walks. That's life.

Wearing a lab coat does not make one an angel.

 

Nonsense. No one is admitting they're falsifying medical reports and death certificates for money - or for any other reason. Over and above ethics, you clearly have no idea of what the consequences and penalties would be.

Did I say that a lie of any sort is decent? No. I said it isn't decent to suggest that medical professionals are lying for money. Because that's what we're talking about - the suggestion that medical professionals will lie for money. And in this case, to do so for the spurious reason that their facilities are offered relief to help them continue to function and aid their communities in the face of a pandemic.

You're also clearly unaware of the intense scrutiny attaching to the provision of relief, and dire consequences for abusers.

 

It may not be decent, but it is a true statement.

The brutal truth is usually indecent for certain parties.

It is also indecent to deceive others.

 

Exactly.

I'm just pissing in the wind to argue with anyone who thinks some lies are "decent".

 

Of course a white coat doesn't make one an angel - don't assume naivety.

Clearly you recognize that there's a world of difference between independent practitioners - pain management center owners - personally profiting at the expense of the community (mercenaries indeed), and salaried health care workers and professionals working in a healthcare community to help the wider community, and that the latter, for the most part, have high ethical standards.

For those that don't? The powers-that-be aren't naive either. In recognition of the "human factor" there's a plethora of constraints and decidedly punitive consequences for bad apples. The same applies to COVID-19 relief too.

 

Well, you're definitely pissing in the wind, with your massive comprehension failure.

In my posts, the standard of decency relates to the accusation of lying, not the act of lying.

 

You can't defend lying but then complain someone lacks decency for calling out the lies. Your morality scale is so subjective and out of whack with mine, there is no point continuing this circular argument with you, because pissing in the wind isn't my thing. A lie is a lie and you'll never convince me otherwise.

To get this back on topic: this could ALL be avoided if COVID testing was required in order to get additional COVID "bounties".

 

This may be the single most ignorant thing I've ever read on the forums. There is no "bounty." Please, please re-join us back in reality. You are talking about a reimbursement paid to mostly non-profit institutions who are losing money overall due to the pandemic. They made more money from elective surgeries, which they've now had to put on the back burner. And none of the people actually making the diagnosis stood to profit from said reimbursements.

This argument is so stupid it actually gives me a headache.

 

Maybe you should take an aspirin - or a chill pill.

If they pay for writing "covid-19" but not for writing "pneumonia" or "the flu" - it's a bounty.