Do you not have health insurance? Do you not support Medicare for all? Why?

That's what I like, someone without the balls to commit.

 

Keep trolling. It’s what you do best.

 

I thought it was a little more obvious than that.
Who do you know in the Medicare chain of command that gets 100 or 200 million in compensation.
The infrastructure costs can be compared and have been.

4. The Medicare Board of Trustees and NHEA figures are comprehensive. Some have criticized the government's definition of Medicare's overhead, but Mr. Sullivan writes that both governmental figures include other expenditures incurred by CMS, the IRS, Social Security and others to administer Medicare. When it comes to "traditional" Medicare, the trustees' measure is the more accurate one, according to the report.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/4-things-to-know-about-medicares-overhead-costs.html

 

It's what he does when he can't support a position.
It can sometimes go on for days.

 

Do you think there is no fraud in private health care.
Is the fraud cost not included in the cost of Medicare.
Keep drinking that RW Kool-Aid.

 

So true. He is the very definition of a troll

 

Sounds good but this is America. People do things for money. If the money is reduced then people won't do what you want done.

 

Health care is a national security issue. The dummies realized that during WWII when they had problems getting enough cannon fodder for the war. That is why health care became a major issue on the national agenda and why every President since Truman except one or two made it part of their program and moved the nation toward a national program.

If you don't want a healthy population that is fine. At some point it will get sick and die and that will be the end of the country. We exist as a herd, not as individuals. It is necessary to keep the herd healthy and that includes everyone in it.

 

Don't you know that is how the current Medicare system works?

 

I have insurance. But I didn't for a long time. I can tell you what, I didn't worry about cancer or freak accidents. If that happens, medical bills would be the least of my worries. Also the same people who obsessively worry about what medical what ifs normally slowly eat themselves to death without a second thought.

 

Except that you aren't. It'll still have the same amount of money going towards it. Just the manner of payment is different.

 

Do not support it as proposed by Democrats.

It should be an option, treated as group insurance which will provide premiums based on net income. Using the current Medicare program reimbursement guidelines with the choice of paying for Maternity and newborn care and dental care

 

we've had health care since the beginning of the nation and before. It's just private.

there was healthcare then we had doctors and hospitals

I don't like the idea that we need government to be our mommy.

It is not the president's responsibility to take care of your health care it is yours.

so the population of the United States has never been healthy? how in the hell did we go from a couple hundred thousand to a couple hundred million a population if we're not healthy?

so there will be a plague that will wipe us out? what good is mediocre government-funded healthcare going to do against such an event?

this is patently false. Marxism has been tried and it typically ends in genocide. Mainly because people are individuals and not part of some beehive. human beings absolutely exist as an individual, we don't sleep in barns with our herds we buy our own houses. We buy our own healthcare.

well we can't treat people like a herd of animals that's cold eugenics. See if I have a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep and some of them are terminally ill, I don't go broke treating their illness I just euthanize them. In fact not only do I euthanize them if the illness they have was genetic I go to sterilize the offspring.

No I'm sorry der fuhrer we are not a herd.

 

So the people who didn't have health care don't have free healthcare and I didn't pay a dime or so is this magical healthcare or are they being treated by volunteer doctors or deceased doctors?

how do people that couldn't have insurance before magically get insurance without costing more money?

I'm sorry you don't get more people cover for the same price as less people covered and have the commodity valued at the same rate that's not possible. To claim that you are denying math.

 

Medicare fraud is 3-5x higher and prosecutions for fraud are lower, as are collections, than private sector insurance.

I will edit this later when I find the source I remember that from.

 

Don't worry about it. The number is included in the Medicare cost, and Medicare is still way cheaper.

 

The thing about the uninsured that often times isn't mentioned is that many of them are uninsured for the same reason I was for so long: they are healthy and don't need it. Healthy people cost the medical system so much less. Someone just having medicare doesn't cost anything. Its only if they need to use it.

Someone who has medicare for all, but isn't using it because they are fine isnt going to cost the system anymore. In fact the overall burden and amount spent will almost certainly go down because people will be getting preventative care, not waiting until they need to go to the emergency room.

This is Also backed up by how all the European etc health care costs stack up to America's.

 

I paid part of my FICA into Medicare for 35 years. When I receive my Social Security check, part of it goes to Medicare. That doesn't cover everything --- I pay over $150 / month supplemental + prescription + eye + dental. How do you suppose the government will be able to roll back the clock 35 years to build a trust fund and then cover the other costs that total close to $300 / month?

I also believe that doctors and hospitals cover retirees on the backs of normal patients. If they had to cover everyone at medicare rates, you wouldn't be able to find people who want to be doctors.

 

You don't "give" it away you charge for it. You could make it 25% above the actual Medicare costs and business would flock to it.

 

Forcing them to buy it costs money.

Providing health care to people that could afford it privately absolutely costs money.

Someone using it that could afford their own health Care is.

What? You go to the emergency room if you break your arm or cut yourself. Preventive care wouldn't matter at all.

I'm going to ask of you what I all of everybody else who makes this claim.

Show me by any objective metric that European single payer health care is better than ours.

 

Cost.

 

Well no health care costs nothing, so that's the best by your metric.

 

Did I say it was free?

 

Free costs less than not free. If cost is the only metric, a free 25 year old Hyundai would be Superior to a new BMW.

 

There are two things wrong with that post.
1- it has nothing to do with your question.
2- Europeans live longer.

So it may be more like comparing a 25 year old Corvette with a new Chevy Cruze.