Does Trump want to negotiate with Putin about Ukraine?

Does Trump want to negotiate with Putin about Ukraine?
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Americaphobes live in the east of Ukraine
there will be no ashtray

 

Trump will have to work with him if there is going to be any resolution.

If Trump pulled a miracle and achieved an agreement was worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize, the Democrats would still condemn what he had done. They can't leave the narrative the Trump is traitor who sold us out to the Russians, when in fact, it was really Hillary Clinton.

 

I doubt Trump has given it much serious thought. He just wants to win the presidential election in November.

Any actual negotiations to end the war between Russia and Ukraine would be between the leaders of, believe it or not, Russia and Ukraine. Other leaders, organisations and individuals are likely to need to help facilitate those negotiations but it's ultimately down to the two nations actually involved.

I suspect most people in the east of Ukraine don't have strong opinions about the USA either way. They'll have much more immediate things to think about. I know that a lot of Americans have difficulty with this concept, but not everything that happens in the world is all about them.

 

Ukraine doesn't want to settle, and Putin wants to land lock them. The US and other NATO countries don't seem to be inclined to support them.
Next target is Mondolvia.
Putin appears to be leveraging our ineffective president as he rebuilding the USSR.
The Frog's kind of showed him what they thought of his nuclear threat.

 

So many people think they can read Putin's mind when they can't even give a
timeline for the events in Ukraine.

How is it Ukraine was not at war from mid 1991 until the US got involved?

 

I believe that there will be a Nobel Peace Prize for Ukraine's membership in NATO

 

Like Trump?

They essentially were, it was just a "cold war", with both Russian and Western interventions constantly disrupting the country, leaving too much space for political and economic corruption. Blaming everything on the US is no better than blaming everything on Russia.

 

Hopefully.

 

No. Trump wants to give Putin whatever he wants in Ukraine. He doesn't want to negotiate. He wants to fellate.

 

Why? That's the equivalent of rewarding a dog for biting the mailman. Only way, way worse.

 

The alternative is Ukraine keeps fighting a war it can't win. The other alternative is NATO declares war on Russia. Which of those options to you find preferable to negotiating peace?

Ukraine is running out of troops. Even if we send 'peacekeepers', they wouldn't be able to push Russia out of the areas it controls without a declaration of war. So there would still need to be a negotiated settlement regarding what Russia has already taken.

 

I don't think you are correct about those being the only options. Why do you think that the only option is to kiss the boots of dictators and apologize for standing up to fascism? That's literally what you are proposing.

 

What else do you think can happen? Ukraine doesnt have the manpower to kick Russia out. They've been conscripting the disabled to the front line since last year. That's beyond 'worst case scenario' as far as defense goes. Eventually they won't even be able to mount an effective defense.

Accepting the reality of the situation is not 'boot licking.'

So tell me what you think the road to victory is? If you think its 'send them more weapons', please explain how you expect this to suddenly reverse their ongoing and increasing disadvantage due to troop losses attrition.

 

They are doing a much better job of it than any of us expected . . . and the EXACT same thing has been said about every single example "underdog" warfare throughout history, and it is almost always wrong.

If it were "beyond worst case scenario," this would have been over a couple of years ago . . . as the Putinists told us it would.

They've successfully resisted the terrorist invasion for a couple of years now. That's the reality of the situation.

[quote[So tell me what you think the road to victory is? If you think its 'send them more weapons', please explain how you expect this to suddenly reverse their ongoing and increasing disadvantage due to troop losses attrition.[/QUOTE]
The road to victory is that we don't lick the boots of our bullies and beg for their mercy. Which, yes, is what you are proposing they do.

 

The two options are: Ukraine kicks Russia out, or we negotiate peace. What do you think we can do that will allow Ukraine to successfully kick Russia out?

 

If Russia "wins," the war won't be over. Have you seriously never heard of Chechnya? Why do you think the world should bend the knee to fascist invasions?

 

You arent answering the question.

If you think there should be no negotiated peace, THEN surely you think Ukraine can push Russia out. How do you see the situation changing to allow that to happen?

If you think there should be no negotiated peace but also you understand Ukraine cant push Russia out, then you're either suggesting the war should never end, or you want NATO to declare war but you don't want to say so...

Tell me how you see Ukraine winning. 'Resisting' forever is not a viable option. Ukraine will run out of warfighters before Russia does.

 

Lol, by ANY measure, Trump was WAY weaker with Putin than Biden. It isn't even close. No US politician has worshipped Putin more than Trump has. Trump DEFENDED Putin's invasion of Ukraine and has said he would be willing to give Russia some of Ukraine. Ukraine doesn't want to settle? Of course they don't. THEY ARE BEING MILITARILY INVADED. #whywontpolandjustsettle

 

I did answer the question. The US pushed Britain out. Vietnam pushed the US out. Supposedly "disadvantaged" native forces push out invaders all of the time. It probably succeeds more often than it fails unless you start factoring in something like diseases.

We can negotiate for peace. All it takes is for the fascist invading force to stop fascistically invading.

Why should we reward bullying and fascism? Why? You aren't answering the question.

 

You're cherry picking. Invasions succeed all the time too. Most recently in 2022, Azerbaijan invaded Armenia, blew up all Armenia's tanks with Turkish drones, shelled cities, and now owns the land it took after NATO and Russia brokered a peace between them.

I don't recall you demanding that we 'resist the bullies' then...

Russia won when the Ukrainian counter-offensive failed and Russia fortified a defensive line. Its not 'boot-looking' to accept reality. The ONLY way Russia gets kicked out of Ukraine is if someone besides Ukraine kicks them out. Ukraine can't do it now, no matter how much you want them to. The question now is how many more Ukrainians die merely holding a defensive line that has remained mostly static for over a year and recently has started to fail with the Russian capture of Avdiivka. Even with advanced modern force multipliers, Ukraine needs a 3-2 manpower advantage to take and hold land. They don't have it, not even close. You seem to be demanding something that can only happen with a miracle... Do you actually believe in miracles? Do you think they're a suitable basis for military strategy?

Even the most optimistic projections for this war no longer include Ukraine actually kicking Russia out. The best Ukraine can hope for is regaining its territory through decades of labored negotiation, and even that is considered unlikely.

 

If you had bothered to read (and you normally do, so I'm a bit disappointed here) I never said that defenses ALWAYS succeed. That's worse than cherry picking. You are outright cherry picking and engaging in a terrible, terrible straw man.

I'm still not convinced that this means we should lick the boots of dictators and not resist fascist invasions.

 

We resisted. The resistance succeeded in preserving 80-90% of Ukraine (depending whether you count Crimea in 2014). The resistance failed to preserve 100% of Ukraine. The resistance could fail even more if we don't take the efforts to date as a win. If peace was negotiated 2 months ago, Ukraine would still have Avdiivka...

 

And what states of the US would you like to surrender to Mexico without a fight? If Mexican tanks pour into Texas tomorrow, you'd be fine with just giving up the state? Really?

 

Without a fight?

That's the height of ridiculous.

If Mexico invaded and fought us to standstill and held for two years, I would be screaming for a negotiated peace. Take it back later with a new strategy.

I spose you would prefer we let 'Mexico' attrition us indefinitely until we can't hold a defensive line so they can take the whole country?

 

There is so much lying going on we need to at least pick one lie and go from there.

Biden claimed the war started on Feb 24 2022, 'The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity.'

One obvious problem if that is true then how is it there wasn't a war until a few days
after the 'aid' (artillery shells and other ammunition and weapons) had arrived.