Domestic violence?

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Do you believe DV is common

  1. Yes, i not only think it's common, but I think it happens more than we think

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    52.0%
  2. I don't think it's that common

    7 vote(s)
    28.0%
  3. I don't consider random grabbing or shoving DV if it doesn't happen often

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  4. I believe it's only DV if one gets slapped, punched, or kicked

    3 vote(s)
    12.0%
  5. All of the above is DV

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  1. Traditionalist

    Traditionalist New Member

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    When peoople hear that phrase, brutal violence comes to mind most likely.
    However not all domestic violence is created equal. Example, a shrink may say if you grab your spouse too hard that could be considered DV.

    Do you think DV is common or not as common anymore? Do you think most couples have experienced this at least once in their marriage? This could be an act such as throwing a shoe, a weak shove, grabbing etc.
     
  2. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    It happens more often than we think, I would assume. You have to account for all the situations that are not reported.

    As for what I consider to be domestic violence, a grab or push might not be so bad, but it depends on what the reason was for the husband (or wife) to act like that.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Men are the victims of DV a lot more often than women.
     
  4. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    But men don't walk around with black eyes claiming they walked into a door.
     
  5. leftlegmoderate

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    I believe that any physical aggression towards your partner is domestic violence by definition. I believe that it's likely to happen within most relationships that last for any amount of time. Those who are closest to you usually have the greatest ability to affect you emotionally.

    Whether or not it's acceptable sort of depends on many specifics. If you have two crazy nutballs who have found each other and routinely abuse each other... well... But if you have one person who is violent, controlling, and aggressive towards their meek defenseless partner... then yes it's a real problem.

    It's bad if a man strikes a women, it's especially bad when a man basically controls his woman in addition to being violent, making her a prisoner. It's exponentially worse when children are involved.
     
  6. PatrickT

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    When you consider the current illogical definition of domestic violence, I would say every couple leaving together engage in domestic violence. Language directed at the woman can be domestic violence. Failure to adequately support the woman can be domestic violence. If the husband intentionally breaks something inanimate, like a plate, that is domestic violence.

    In our community, the final draft of the domestic violence ordinance, which was the only ordinance to mandate an arrest, said that if there were physical evidence of an assault, the husband would be arrested. Someone said, "What if he was shot by the wife?" Okay, they had to rewrite the ordinance but the intent was still obvious.

    Given the current definitions of violence and abuse, all relatinships or abusive and violent.

    One wife reported her husband for domestic violence because she was blocking the door to prevent him from leaving and he picked her up and moved her. The red marks on her upper arms qualified as evidence of domestic violence.

    But, we all know that men hit. Women don't hit. They don't hit their husbands or their children. Lordy no. Women never break things in a fit of rage. Oh, and if they do, it's not their fault. It's the demon PMS.
     
  7. PatrickT

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    I guess they don't, in your fantasy world. They do get shot while they sleep in the real world. They do get stabbed. They do get hit with heavy objects. They do get run over by cars. They do get punched. And they never ever report it to the police. I knew one man who was shot and stabbed by his wife and refused to testify against his wife.

    If a man kills his wife his only chance of avoiding prison is to commit suicide. Women rarely go to prison for killing their husband. It's amazingly easy to blame the victim when he's dead. One I investigated, where the wife managed to arrange things so she could kill her husband and still get the life insurance, the DA wasn't going to prosecute the wife. Off scot free.

    He said, "Pat, you wouldn't believe what that bastard did to that woman in the bedroom."
    "Any witnesses?"
    "No."
    "Any photos, videotapes, or audio tapes?"
    "No."
    "Anyone who says the woman told them about these horrible things before the murder?"
    "No."
    "Any medical reports?"
    "No."
    "So, it's just her unsupported statement?"
    "Yes, but Pat, she wouldn't lie about something like this."
    "Stu, she shot him in the head twice while he was asleep and told the first police officer she had to do it because he didn't love her. She might tell a lie."

    But, I agree. Her husband wasn't walking around with black eyes.
     
  8. Shangrila

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    This pretty much sums it up, although violence against another, man, woman, child or animal, is unacceptable to me.
     
  9. dixiehunter

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    I have read and heard that the one specific country that is notorius for Domestic Violence is Australia.

    I do feel that people in a Socialistic Ruled society will have more mental stress, and tension.
    Thus resulting in more and more DV.
    People see and read about a nation like America who's people have more than they have. Brings on envie and jelousey, and eventually filters down too family disturbances and violence.

    People can only make a difference in their lifestyles and habbits. And not allow goverments to do it for them.

    FACT.
     
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    Actually, yes they do. It's just that people tend to find such excuse more convincing from men, because they are less likely to consider the possibility of it having been an attack from their female partner. It can and does happen both ways, and is equally bad whichever way it is happening.
     
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    What an utterly ridiculous thing to suggest, especially in a comparison between Australia and the USA. Australians are not jealous of people in America, and people in America do not 'have more than they have'. That is just pure nonsense.
     
  12. flounder

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    That's no answer...a better point might be the woman may not have had a black eye if she kept her hands to herself. I cant tell you how many times I have heard from other men that have been attacked by women. It happened a number of times to me just breaking off with some of them, now I have a cool temper and did not swing back,,but some guys do not, and that's not their fault in my opinion..
    If you start swinging, scratching, biting, or throwing things then expect consequences...Too often the guy gets the blame,,it's wrong...
     
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    Real men walk away.
     
  14. dixiehunter

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    Ok....Let's chit-chat about the domestic violence in Wales.
     
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    It's every bit as appauling as domestic violence anywhere else.
     
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    And?.........What has been done to prevent or discourage it.?
     
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    Real women don't act like street Tramps.......
     
  18. Panzerkampfwagen

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    Australians earn more than Americans, penetration of technology like computers, tvs, internet, etc is higher in Australia than the US, the average Australian house is larger than the average American house, etc but yeah, we're jealous of the US. Good call, you got us there.
     
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    I said the slapped, punched or kicked option because its the closest thing, as the choices were extremely limited. Either way I don't support all the psycho-babble nonsense associated. It comes down to one thing, choice. To stay or go, if one continuously stays, what can be done for them? At some point one runs out of patience and sympathy/empathy for those types.
     
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    Who are you trying to fool?....What you said is all wishfull thinking. Except for the last part of your statement.

    The only reputation Australia will ever have, is being known for it's adorable looking oversize yard rats, you call kangaroos.

    And today being the midway transit point connection between South Asia, and the Mexican / Columbian Drug Cartels.

    From what I have read Australian society has one of the worst family value reputations in the world.
    Australia use to be a fine respectfull country durring the 50' thru mid 70's.
    Corruption and dirty politics took over. Australian socialistic rule goverment is like a mafia control choke-hold on it's people.

    Prostitution is the largest mainstream business in Sydney....Awesome.

    Go figure.
     
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    They have koalas too, don't be too mean or you might scare the aussies away. On second thought, go for it.
     
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    Worst family values? What message are you sending to young adults who become interested in politics... only to come here to discuss politics and find your avatar of a naked woman aiming a gun directly at them?

    Not only is your post off the beam, but your avatar reeks of revoltingly anti-family values... and will put of young adults with an interest in politics. Not only that, but if the young adults have the site checked out first by their parents to see that it meets a standard for their children, they will see your avatar and disallow the site for their kids. Family values? Yes, your avatar really encapsulates family values, doesn't it?
     
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    It is an issue that the Welsh Assembly Government has been very aware of:
    http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabinetstatements/2002/180402JHDomesticviolence?lang=en

    And has put thought and resources into addressing in various ways:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8585574.stm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/public-leaders-network/blog/2011/aug/10/pilot-scheme-tackles-domestic-violence

    It is a problem that statistics will show has been on the increase in terms of reported instances, but that may ironically be a result of the work over recent years to try to get it out into the open so that it can be dealt with (i.e. people are being encouraged to report the crime, knowing that it will be taken seriously, where in the past it might have been treated more as a 'private matter').

    That's always going to be an issue - in order to deal with a problem, the extent of it needs to be acknowledged, but in doing that it makes it appear that the problem is getting worse rather than better. To be honest, I doubt the real picture has changed that much over recent years. Poverty and the associated behaviours of hopelessness does play a role, and the current economic crisis could be making things worse - that's something Wales has a particular issue with, of course, with the South Wales Valleys having been left (as a result of the rapid closue of the old heavy industries on which their economies were heavily reliant) as one of the poorest places in Western Europe - that is the area where the problems are at their worst.
     
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    I think women need to start taking the nice guys more seriously... But I don't think it's as common as it used to be.
     
  25. Traditionalist

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    Men definitley can be victims too, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking the numbers between women being abused and men being abused are even close. The women I know who have resorted to hitting or throwing things are the ones who got tired of being a punching bag and hit back. This is not to say that women are never the initiators, but men do have the advantage when it comes to strength.
     

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