Dominion v Fox Trial, Monday April 17, Day One

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Day 1, Opening Arguments

    Trial duration; 5 - 6 weeks

    IMO, 2 Trials in 1;

    a. Dominion v Fox

    b. Dominion v Trump & his supporters
     
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    BTW, Fox News has apologized to the trial judge, saying they held back evidence that Murdoch was in charge. :)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...pert-murdochs-role-at-the-network/ar-AA19Vj3e
    Fox lawyers had repeatedly claimed Murdoch did not have an official title at Fox News, only to later reveal that he serves as the Fox News Executive Chair.

    That lie was as egregious as it gets. !!!! They didn't know who was in charge. :)
     
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    Lmao!
     
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    Technically the judge ruled that the plaintiff cannot bring up January 6th. So, option b is not so much in this trial. I do think it is Fox v Dominion and Truth vs alternative reality. Fox's biggest problem is that they knew this was false to begin with, but did it anyway. Fox will argue that it is a first amendment right, but is it a first amendment or is it Fox lacking control over its employees?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    It was the attorneys for Fox who apologized, hoping they won't get sanctioned by the special master.
     
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    The fact that the judge felt the need to appoint/request a special master speaks volumes. Too many very wealthy people and corps find lawyers VERY willing to cross ethical lines and will shop around until they get these "professionals" on payroll.
     
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    Well whomever it is, their reason is a bit outlandish.
     
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    It isn’t about Jan 6. It’s about the truth about the election.
    So in that sense it is very much a case against trump and all other election deniers.
     
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    True, but the culmination was January 6th and the lies that Fox News did, among others, which contributed to said date. It was a minor win for the respondent, but not much.

    The biggest problem Fox has are those internal memos and private messages from Fox Personalities who did not believe the election lie, but told their audiences anyway, with Murdoch and other leadership knowing too and not doing anything about it because they were in it for the money to keep their audience happy more than acting like a true news station.
     
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    From my understanding, a special master is investigating the incident and the special master will be the one who may or may not recommend sanctions to the judge. But the lawyers basically said, yes we screwed up because our client wanted us too, sort of argument.
     
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    That was necessary so that the special master can determine if the evidence is exculpatory, be impartial, and recommend whatever sanctions they see fit. The final decision comes down to the judge who is presiding over the case. It won't help much, more likely lessen the amount of sanctions towards the lawyers, but that is about it.
     
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    Did I not read that Trial did not start today but was set back to start tomorrow for no apparent reason, or no given reason?
     
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    The sad part is that they will probably settle out of court and the faux news traitors and trump lapdogs will escape justice and then claim they were innocent since the case was settled out of court.
    Of course, the maga mob will spin that as a patriotic victory for trump and his cronies.
     
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    Suing Fox for 1.6 billion.
    Where's the starting numbers on negotiations? lol
    I'm surprised Fox can even get liability insurance with their 10's of millions they've paid out in settlements.
     
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    This latest delay has many speculating Fox News is going to try and settle, a few news outlets. I don't think MAGA will call it a victory, but as another conspiracy.
     
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    That's what I heard this AM.... a last day of settlement talks...
     
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    Well if so, that still makes it favorable for Dominion. Then Fox News will not be able to bring up the stolen election junk anymore. That will certainly change the Republican narrative for their primaries, let alone the Republican Congressional members that subscribed to that nonsense when interviewed on Fox.
     
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    Fox could expand the proven Tucky Defense, and admit that it does not traffic in reality, and that everyone should know that.

    Judge Rules Tucker Carlson Is Not a Credible Source of News

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    "We peddle crap that makes our viewers happy."
     
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    All that meams is Tucker can't use the defense that he is an investigative journalist in what he says on his programming
     
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    There is,a,runor that a,settlement may be in play. Or it could be for other unknown reasons
     
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    Lol…isn’t everything a conspiracy for that crowd?
     
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    In the army, you ask for three jeeps and hope that you get one.
    I suspect dominion’s suit amount is just a tactic.
    It’s a shame that the real crimes are not being addressed and it’s only a slander suit.
    By knowingly and persistently lying to the public, faux news and its pundits were abusing their use of the public airways.
    Faux news and its pundits should lose their broadcast licences.
    Any fine is ultimately just a slap on the wrist for large corporations.
     
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    It means what it says regarding the Fox entertainer:

    The federal judge, Mary Kay Vyskocil, who herself was appointed to the federal bench by Trump nine months ago, dismissed the case, citing Carlson’s First Amendment protections. That is, Vyskocil bought the argument Fox News was pushing that Carlson is, first and foremost, not a provider of “the news” as we know it, or “facts” as we commonly understand them, and his audience knows this. They’re apparently in on the gag. Fox News doesn’t label Carlson’s speech parody because that’s embarrassing for a company with the word news in its name to admit; it’s not factual journalism because that implies some responsibility for the credibility of the information that you spew. Instead, Fox News lawyers claim, Carlson is not “stating actual facts” but simply engaging in “non-literal commentary.”
     
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    It's about whether a news reporting and commentary company is supposed to filter the news makers or present both sides of an issuing when only one side can be true. OK they did not believe the claims, had not seen the evidence. Were they not suppose to report the claims by the Trump people. Were not to give them a chance to present their case right or wrong? We had the Clinton campaign claiming Trump was a Russian agent without any truthful evidence with the outlandish claims and STATING they were all true. CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, NYT and on and on and on giving voice to those claims. I don't see some lawsuit against them or those on left calling them liars and wanting sanctions against them.

    If Dominion wants to sue anyone it is the people who actually made the claims, not those who reported the claims.
     

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