Donald Trump to Newsmax: Remember, Nancy Pelosi Was in Charge of Security on Jan. 6

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  1. Alwayssa

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    Firing top level officials always occurs AFTER the fact, not before. And even that argument does not prove that SOTH Pelosi had direction of when to deploy the National Guard. Again, the only fault for not deploying the national guard is the Executive Branch, aka Trump Administration. The DoD or Trump or one of his subordinates, no one else.
     
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    For DC, the Capital is not DC the Capital Police must issue the request for the NG to come to the Capital and that request must be approved by the Capital officials.
     
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    The Executive Branch does not deploy them without the local officials in DC or officials at the Capital requesting, and it is not the Office of the President that then deploys them. When the Capital Police and DC FINALLY made those request they had to go up the chain of command to the Secretary of the Army who approved them when they were received and the deployments ordered. Trump could not order it, he had no approval in it, he could not stop it.
     
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    WTH, the capital is not DC? Where is it? The Washing DC National Guard is under the direct control of the DoD, via the Office of the President for call up. It is no one else. In all other states and territories, it is that governor who has authority to call up the natioinal guard unless "federalized" in the case of a natural disaster like Hurricane Harvey or Katrina, military action like in Kuwait, Iraq, or Aghanistan, etc. .
     
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    There is "no local officials" that can order or approve the National Guard in DC. The mayor or Metropolitian police can request such action via the DoD, which is approved by the President or one of his/her subordinates. Nothing you are going to post will change that incontroverible fact.
     
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    I am constantly amazed at those who do understand the federalism in our country and posse comitatus and the fact the President cannot order the military into domestic law enforcement. Even at the Capital where he has no authority or jurisdictions. The process is quite clear and it starts with the local law enforcement, here the DC Police and the Capital Police. The DC get the approval of the mayor. The CP get the approval of their superiors and the highest superior is Nancy Pelosi. To imagine that the SOTH was not INTIMATELY involved with the security matters that day is inconceivable. If she truly wasn't then they should kick her out of the position and put someone in who can do the job.
     
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    DC Metro Police do not have jurisdiction in the Capital or federal buildings and areas. The Capital Police do. The Office of the President is not in the line, the chain of command to deploy troops to DC or the Capital. He has no role in the matter.

    The changes amended a 1969 executive order that shifted control over the National Guard from the president, who controlled the guard in the district as there was no state governor to fill the role, to the defense secretary, and that authority was later transferred to the Army secretary, the top civilian official in the branch.
    https://www.newsweek.com/defense-se...-dc-national-guard-some-circumstances-1664563
     
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    Nancy Pelosi is not in charge of security in the, Capitol Police are!!!
     
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    Oh geez how many times does it have to be explained.

    The MAYOR of DC must request troops to be deployed on the streets of DC because there is no governor of DC she is the top official for the city. If the police want them they go through the mayor who makes the request to the Secretary of the Army. The President has not approval or disproval of the request. Do you even know what is Posse Comitatus?

    Congress even tried to give the President the power to deploy federal troops in the use of domestic law enforcement in the case of emergencies in 2007, yet they smartly repealed that in it's entirety reverting back to the previous laws where the President has no authority to do so.
     
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    Whose ultimate boss is Pelosi. Who do you think they work for ultimately. They are not some private police force. Pelosi order the security measures around the capital be kept in place. Ordered metal detectors around the Capital. Is part of all security matters at the capital the buck stops with her at the top.
     
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    And yet, the Chief of the Capitol Police went to the Sergeant at Arms of Congress to get the OK to bring in National Guardsman. Not the WH. Why do you think that is?
     
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    They may not have jurisdiction, but then again, your own link proves my point or was Pelosi the Secretary of the Army as well?
     
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    The chief of the Capital Police to the Republican nominated Sergeant of Arms Paul D. Irving does not prove SOTH Pelosi had any authority whatsoever. Irving refused and according to one report, was more concerned by the optics than anything else. Even a representative said that Irving told him "the doors to the capital were locked" when the rioters began breaching the outer barriers.
     
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    The House and Senate Sergeant of Arms literally never told the Speaker of the House or the President Pro Tempe on those requests, by their own admission.
     
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    Are you just being obtuse, the request FROM THE CAPITAL where Pelosi is the SOTH goes TO the SECRETARY OF THE ARMY. There is a chain of command.
     
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    Release the communication records what is Pelosi hiding? Why weren't they in communications with her, why wasn't she being the leader of the Capital and demanding to know what they were doing.

    But then in fact she was involved the whole day so lets get her to testify to the committee.
     
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    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi demanded the resignation of Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund. If she has nothing to do with the Capitol Police why is she demanding anything.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/pelosi-demands-resignation-of-capitol-police-chief-after-dc-protests/
     
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    True, because he lied to another representative because he said "the capital doors were locked." Other persons who resigned was the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Chief of the Capital Police. The police were ill prepared, ill equipped, and badly misjudged a group of determined MAGA sympathizers from overruning the barricades at the capital. End of the Story
     
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    This is not a fishing expidetion. But then again, why we are at it, I would like subpeanoe your phone records, emails, bank accounts, and other so called investment accounts and then forensically match them to your returns for the last ten years. How much you want to make a bet tax and wire fraud will be the tip of the ice berg for you Blues.
     
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    Play the kiddie games with someone else.
    Overseer Pelosi, her ilk, and the Capitol police were ill prepared, ill equipped, and badly misjudged a group of determined MAGA sympathizers from overruning the barricades at the capital. Their job is to ensure that the USCP meets the safety and security needs of the Congress, the staff, and the many visitors who come to the United States Capitol each day. They failed at their job.... no excuse... This is not their first rodeo on crowd control and they dropped the ball. Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol, not Trump. End of the Story.

    Pelosi said "
    “There was a failure of leadership at the top of the Capitol Police.” SHE IS the leadership at the top of the Capitol Police.
     
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    She IS NOT the leadershiip of the Capitol Police. She never was and never is. The leadership of the Capitol Police is the Capitol Police Commission, underneath them is the chief of the Capitol Police, and underneath them are the deputy police chiefs. and so forth. No where in the chain of command is the Speaker of the House, no where. I have proven time and time again who the leadership is, who can call up the National Guard of Washington DC, and who was responsible. I have provided those links includinbg EO 10030, which states the chain of command for the National Guard in DC.

    Why is it that when modern conservatives are confronted with actual truth, they still believe in the fairytale on what they were told.
     
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    trump has taught you well

    blame everyone except the people that broke the law..

    lack of security did not cause the insurrection..it was the insurrectionists that caused the insurrection

    even with lackluster security forces that day, it does not excuse the lunatics that broke the law

    the people that are responsible for January 6th are the maga supporters,,

    they attempted to stop the proceedings by breaching the capitol security...

    they failed, but did succeed in delaying the official confirmation of Joe Biden

    Joe Biden is president

    DEAL WITH IT!!
     
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    OOOOPS.... you missed a step.

    The leadership of the Congress is the overseers of the leadership of the Capitol Police as the Capitol Police Commission, underneath them is the chief of the Capitol Police, and underneath them are the deputy police chiefs. and so forth.

    And yes Pelosi is the majority leader of the appropriations and authorizing committees of the overseers

    https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

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    They were forewarned and the guards were made available days ahead of time.
    The overseers Pelosi and ilk and the CP failed at their job... no excuses....

    https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

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    The person in charge of security, no matter who it/they was/were, is not responsible for Jan 6th. Trump supporters are responsible.

    Now I'll agree that it's worth looking into why security failed and holding those accountable that had an effect on that, but nothing about the security issue alters any amount of responsibility born by those moron Trump supporters that rushed into the building nor the gigantic horse's ass that egged them on with nonsense for 2 months to do it.
     
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