Donald Trump Would Almost Certainly Be a Loser in 2024

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  1. DEFinning

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    Are you willing to share the reason for your counter-intuitive prediction, about Biden not running in '24, or do you use the same time-travel trance state, as did the person behind all the bogus claims about Dominion voting machines?
     
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    And I don't think your conclusion was ever in doubt, nor has much actual thought, to fall back on.




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    IOW, why would you not put forth your prediction in the manner you, in your next post, describe to Jack Hayes, you would like to see from him?
     
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    That much, I understand. Your statement, about which I asked for specifics, was that "many states are... changing their ballots... making it harder to tell who is dem and who is repub on the ticket." So there are really 2 questions: why? and how? That Republicans don't want Trump to drag down the ticket, does not address the how, at all. And it would only have possible relevance, explaining the why, in states with Republican Secretaries of State, and heavily Republican disparity throughout government, so that Secretary could or would not be challenged by, for example, the State Attorney General and Courts, Governor, or legislature.

    So, is that what you had meant by "states?" Really, just Republicans, so only states dominated by Republicans? Wouldn't those, largely be the states, btw, in which this subterfuge would be least necessary?

    If that is the "why," I'd still be curious about the "how?"
     
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    If you're referring to his indictment and possible future ones, then perhaps you haven't heard that they have only increased his popularity in the polls. Many Americans can see the indictments of Trump for what they are -- political -- and most voters don't like politicians playing games to win an election. People are getting tired of voting against someone and looking for reasons to vote for someone based on policies. Like him or hate him, Trump has a stronger policy position than Biden.
     
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    Clinton was likewise impeached and yet his popularity remained strong. Impeachment is very much like an indictment, it's an accusation of a crime committed without the conviction of one. And most good lawyers recognize them for what they really are -- political games.
     
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    I would tend to think they are coming from demographics of those that typically vote for democrats. Like the black voting block.
     
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    I agree Jack. Independents dislike Trump way to much to vote for him again. 57% of independents think Trump being indicted should disqualify him from running again, add to that the 55% of all Americans who don’t want Trump to run again.


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/rk7vgq4qfq/econTabReport.pdf


    Like it or not, the Republican Party is still the smaller of the two major parties, hence, they must win the independent vote or lose the general election. It’s long past the time the Republican Party should have moved on from Trump. Failure to do so will probably lead to another big election defeat.
     
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    Looking at the polls from your citation it's clear that the Independents prefer Trump over Biden. That's what you need to look at. Plus, that number has a better chance of increasing in Trump's favor if the direction of the country continues along its current path.
     
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    And those who don't want Trump, just like they did in 2020, and just like Trump's voters did in 2016 because of Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Biden didn't need to campaign. He probably wouldn't need to campaign in 2024 if he was against Trump again. Biden's main selling point in 2020 would be his same main selling point in 2024. He's not Trump. No need to campaign when a sizable portion of your voter base is voting for you specifically because you're not the other guy. Make fun of "mean tweets" all you want, but that's all part of the tone and character that Trump exhibits and is a major part of what turns people off about him. That and his bottomless rabid narcissism and dishonesty. Nobody trusts him because he is like a loaded cannon with a faulty fuse that you hope you've got pointed in the right direction when he goes off. Sometimes that benefits you, sometimes it doesn't. Even some of his supporters recognize that. And he's even more unhinged and unstable now after his loss in 2020. Now he's bitter and out for revenge which just adds more chaos and unpredictability to a man whose primary motivator always revolves around himself and not the country or his role as it's leader.
     
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    Errrrr I agree with the second bit but not the first. Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot on a daily basis between the anti abortion antics and the mass shootings of little kids, well, keep in mind “generation lockdown not only are voting but they have one congressperson already
     
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    That's an oversimplification of the things driving the voters choices. Trump couldn't have beaten Hilliary without a good policy position, and one of the major driving policies giving Trump the advantage was that of securing the borders.
     
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    That's such a shallow reason to vote. It requires absolutely no thought whatsoever. And it's probably why our country is headed in the wrong direction -- people voting for a personality instead of a policy.
     
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    Well he did botch it - big time and him confessing his sins to Bob Woodward who actually taped the confessions with Trumps agreement did not help - at all!

    Neither did he exactly help himself with the sunshine and bleach twaddle

    Overall his rating for the pandemic was summed up by this

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    Oh! I agree why vote for the guy who actually has gotten things done that will improve the lives of everyday Americans?

    PS how is the infrastructure renewal going?
     
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    And yet, thanks to Operation Warpspeed (under his administration), we got vaccines in record times. Most of the deaths during the height of the pandemic happened because of the policies of democratic governors (like Coumo), not Trump, and yet the MSM blamed Trump for them. You bought the lies they told.
     
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    Personality matters when it comes to the president. It's a symbolic position as much as it is an executive one. The president sets the tone of the country domestically and internationally. He is the most visible portion of the entire United States government. He is also the most singularly powerful person in government. Yes, Congress has more power in the long run but only as a whole. Being the president of a country is not the same as being CEO of a private company. What works in business does not automatically translate into what you need to be successful as president. Trump has shown that repeatedly(and that's not even counting his questionable business talent in the first place). He's the type of person who demands loyalty but doesn't inspire it. Why do you think there's always leaks and negative comments about him even from his own staff? Even when Trump was in office, the most successful things that got done by his administration were almost all things he didn't really focus on himself because he was too busy playing martyr-in-chief to his internet fandom.
     
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    If Biden is doing such a wonderful job why do the polls suggest otherwise?
     
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    Polls are not everything. His biggest hurdles are age and the fact he is not a flashy showman
     
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    :roflol:All the more reason why you shouldn't vote for Biden. Our enemies are laughing at and taking advantage of us under his watch. All because they recognize a weak personality. They don't give a **** if Biden is a "nice" guy; they only respect strength and Biden is only a "nice" weak POTUS.
     
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    The Democrats would vote for him even if he was in his late nineties, provided he had a strong running mate. Which is why there's talk of replacing the laughing hyena. A first.
     
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    I don't disagree about Biden, but myself and many others would still prefer a known quantity over an unhinged narcissist who will twist things to be about himself even if it's detrimental to the situation. Trump is dynamite that might keep the wolves away but is most apt to go off in your hands while the wolves wait patiently to clean up the mess.
     
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    Hmmmmm not all. Yes it helped but Pfizer is German and was not funded by Trump. When Kennedy was in office he purportedly had a sign on his desk that read “the buck stops here”. Trump faced it BIG time - especially the initial roll out
     
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    I really don't give a **** about a candidate's personality -- it's the ****ing policies that matter which effects our Nation. Biden has used that "nice guy" shtick for decades and yet for all that time Obama still thinks we shouldn't underestimate his ability to **** things up. Obama's right, and yet voters with your mindset don't give a crap about that just as long as the POTUS seems to be a "nice guy". That is just a sad statement of the type of voters in the Democratic Party.
     
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    It is not the “Democrats” you have to attract - it is the independents and swing voters and the whole GOP is pizzing THEM off big time!
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

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    is “favorability” rating is less than 40% and that is lower than Biden’s!
     
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