Dutch government to close 3000 farms to comply with EU environmental rules

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  1. Jack Hays

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    I've posted the peer-reviewed research to support my points; you have not.
     
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    whatever you want to believe.... have a good day
     
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    LOL now I KNOW you are trolling since you refused to answer simple questions and avoid providing evidence to support your assertion by request.

    It is clear you have nothing thus you are another warmist/alarmists who can't back up their claims yet thinks failure on your part isn't noticed by others.

    You are still ignoring post 15 which is easy to find and in English what are you afraid of?
     
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    You have nothing to offer why are you still here?
     
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    He is trolling nothing more as he KNOWS he can't answer simple question.
     
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    lol
     
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    Wait, what? The earth's atmosphere is 80% nitrogen, and human emissions cannot possibly have any measurable effect on that. It's like closing down a hydroelectric station for emitting water.
     
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    There is no credible empirical evidence -- none -- of any overall increase in drought around the world, and ample empirical evidence that increased CO2 makes the unavoidable natural droughts less harmful by reducing plants' water requirements.

    So, another epic fail by anti-fossil-fuel hysteria mongers.
     
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    I saw somewhere that Germany intends to do a similar thing, this is spreading from the woke EU policy wonks. So, the theory is that the common folks must starve because "save the planet".... of course the save the planet is premised on attacking the people.... Very Malthusian here. And incredibly stupid.
     
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    I predict these farmlands will stay farmlands, it'll just be large corporations that buy them up for pennies on the dollar after the independent farmers are regulated into bankruptcy. As is undoubtedly the primary goal of these regulations. The corporations will be able to afford to either comply with the regs, pay the fines for ignoring them or most likely lobby to have them changed, and will make their money back -and then some- once their competition, the independent farmers, are gone. We'll all be paying more for lower quality food and have less options. But by then, most people won't remember this happened, they'll just be all 'why does everything suck so much, govt should fix it with more regulations!'
     
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    Stupid Climate priests don't think that anyone actually knows these facts.....

    Nitrogen is one of the most important elements in the chemistry of living creatures. For example, nitrogen is part of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. The Nitrogen Cycle traces the path of nitrogen, in many different chemical forms, through the environment and living organisms. Certain microbes can take gaseous nitrogen from the air and convert it to ammonia, making it available to plants and other organisms in a process called "nitrogen fixation".

    But who cares, the climate Nazis have deemed it a "poison"... Laughable.
     
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    keep believing that
     
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    [​IMG]
    New Study: There Is No Extreme Precipitation, Drought, Flood, Hurricane, Tornado….Climate Crisis

    By Kenneth Richard on 10. February 2022

    After a thorough examination of extreme weather indices across the globe, scientists (Alimonti et al., 2022) have concluded “none of these response indicators show a clear positive trend of extreme events.” Therefore. “the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet.” There is an “absence of generalized growth […]
     
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    I doubt the environment plays a role. The Dutch government likely wants to develop this land and the only way is to force farmers out. So they shop it to EU dictators who can eliminate due process by making up some stupid laws.

    Why doesn't nitrogen run off matter anywhere else? They still eat food that is cultivated on farms they just further damage the environment by transporting it to their country.
     
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    That article is almost completely devoid of information although it makes up for it in opinion.

    If nitrogen run off is the issue then all farms have to do is comply with the regulations.
    I live on a farm that has to comply with very strict rules about muck heaps in order to reduce pollutants such as nitrogen reaching the watercourse. Rather than run to the press complaining of victimisation a little bit of effort is taken to comply with the regulations.
    If these farms would rather close or be compulsory purchased then good riddance. Your land can go to farmers who do care about the environment.
     
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    Where is the evidence about Nitrogen Pollution in the article?
     
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    I will definitely keep believing empirically confirmed facts.
     
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    Where is any information in the article?
    It's a rant, nothing more.
     
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    But you stated this:

    "If nitrogen run off is the issue then all farms have to do is comply with the regulations.
    I live on a farm that has to comply with very strict rules about muck heaps in order to reduce pollutants such as nitrogen reaching the watercourse. Rather than run to the press complaining of victimisation a little bit of effort is taken to comply with the regulations."

    You took the article seriously enough to make that comment and mention regulations of something the article fails to show existed was why I asked about the nitrogen pollution angle.

    It seems to me the government has no credibility here.
     
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    Educate yourself if you really want to understand the issues around nitrogen pollution. If you really just want to moan about big bad government talk to someone else. I'm not interested.

    https://e360.yale.edu/features/can-the-world-find-solutions-to-the-nitrogen-pollution-crisis
     
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    I have known this since the 1970's thus a long-known problem when farmers overuse nitrogen on their lands.

    It is ok that you couldn't find anything in the article that fails to explain why they want to shut down a lot of land when there is no specific nitrogen pollution found anywhere in the article.

    The article is a failure then.
     
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