Electoral Count Act set to deliver another blow to Trump

They need to pass the Electoral Count Act, before years end too?!!

The House isn’t the only congressional chamber taking steps this week to counteract former President Trump, as legislation to overhaul how Congress counts electoral votes is one step closer to becoming law.

Less than a day after a House panel investigating Jan. 6, 2021, issued four criminal referrals for the former president, the Senate unveiled a $1.7 trillion omnibus government funding package that includes the Electoral Count Reform Act (ECRA), marking a second blow in as many days against Trump.

The Electoral Count Reform Act, an update to the Electoral Count Act of 1887, raises the threshold for objections to Electoral College votes from one member in each chamber to one-fifth of members in both chambers. Unlike the House panel’s criminal referral that may or may not go anywhere — the Department of Justice is not obligated to consider congressional referrals — the Senate-negotiated bill marks concrete action against Trump that is set to be signed into law by the end of the week.

“It will arguably save our democracy,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who helped negotiate the proposal, told The Hill. “What we wrote is not foolproof. Malevolent actors could still steal an election, but it makes it a lot harder.”

The effort comes two years after Trump and his allies attempted to use the 135-year-old statute to block the certification of the 2020 presidential election.

In addition to increasing the threshold, the bill clarifies that the role of the vice president in tallying and certifying the Electoral College votes is purely ceremonial and that only a state’s governor or another designated official may submit election results.

And the proposal allows the General Services Administration to release transition funds to both candidates if neither has issued a concession five days after the election. It would, however, nix funds to the losing candidate once the result of the election was determined.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...blow-to-trump/



In an attempt to protect democracy, Democrats are pushing to pass the electoral count reform act before Republicans take over the House in January. It’s one item on a long to-do list for Democrats!

 

Funny thing is... There were more objections of electoral votes in 2017 than that in 2021.

So by your own omission, Democrats were attempting to destroy our democracy!

 

Lol…nice strawman. Objections are historically routine and are nothing new.
What is unique is a potus that tried to subvert the election he lost through a series of malevolent and illegal manoeuvres culminating in an insurrection riot where people lost their lives for a seditious lie.
Yet here you are, spouting distractions instead of supporting decent Americans trying to find ways to protect our democracy from traitors.
Just who is the one attempting to destroy our democracy, eh?

 

So True. Short memory for many on the left when it comes to this issue.

 

What's NOT "funny" is there were many more objections, slated to be made, than EVER before; but most objectors were in no mood to object after the attack on the very chamber they were sitting in; attempted insurrection really put a damper on the big contra party the GOP had planned.

 

Nice projection there mate!

 

Fact is, this proves that there was indeed a loophole. Trying to take advantage of a possible loophole is not a crime. That's why they are fixing the loophole now. If what Trump did was obviously a crime, then there would be no need to fix the loophole because it wasn't a loophole. But there WAS a loophole so they are trying to fix that loophole.

 

A loophole regarding challenging the votes. Challenging. There is NO loophole for sending fake "alternate" electors. The ECA already stipulates what counts as a legal EC vote, and they aren't changing that part. Again, this is why the plot is being criminally investigated.

 

You need to look up the definition of "projection" ...

.... mate.

 

If by funny you mean, "Here's a joke because no one could possibly take this claim seriously," then sure. Kind of funny that there might actually be someone out there in this world who believes that. It is, of course, objectively false. Who taught you this joke?

Jim McGovern
Jamie Raskin
Pramila Jayapal
Barbara Lee
Sheila Jackson Lee
Raul Grijalva
Maxine Waters

Those were the only Dems who objected. Barely more than half a dozen, all in the House with absolutely no backing from the Senate, objecting to 10 states. You still want to compare that to 2021?

Edit: Ooooh, I see what you are doing here. You don't want to count the GOP members that voted for the objections

 

Which were more than objected in 2021!

Fact Check: Did Democrats Object to More States For 2016 Than Republicans For 2020?

 

They are making the threshold for the challenges higher from a single Rep and a single Senator to a 60 vote majority. If under some strange circumstance Congress would vote to reject a slate then an alternate slate of electors would be chosen by the state legislature, they won't be fake. That is what Trump was trying to do just as the Dems wanted to do with Bush and Trump.

 

And that's just that one year. And they were trying the same legal theory as did Trump want to but the riot prevented his challenges.

 

I'm a bit fuzzy on why this is supposed to be a "blow to Trump". Seems more like confirmation that what he was attempting was possible under the existing law.

 

This is going to work out just like the "Biden rule" on Supreme Count nominees and their consideration.

Democrats have already been crying foul declaring that Republican election fortification efforts are "suppressing" the vote. So when Biden loses in 2024 it won't be because he "lost" but because Republicans "cheated" by not letting people have their ballots harvested. The elections will be certified by Trump endorsed Secretaries of State and those panels of electors will be sent to the Capitol. It will be Biden and Harris trying to hold on to power by disqualifying electors from "Trump compromised" states.

It will be fun to watch them be powerless via legislation they shot themselves in the foot with in the first place.

 

It wasn't the same legal theory, and we have the majority of the GOP in the House and almost the majority of the entire party of lawmakers supporting it with Trump. We had 7 people with the Dems. Again, you need to read the Eastman memo.

 

Again, has nothing to do with the fake electors. Your response does not address that. Never will. No, Dems never tried this. And you'd know that if you had read the Eastman memo or even stopped to consider about the requirement that EC votes come under the seal of the state, certified by said executive, which the Trump "electors" in question did not.

 

Totally LMAO!
No Comparison WHATSOEVER...
How Many "Objections" in 2017 had a Dem. Senator to back it up?
Totally LMAO (at Insulting Collective Intelligence) by trying to draw any sort of "Equivalency"...:smdh:

 

Dems will never ever learn. What you do today will be done to you tomorrow in politics. In 2017 9 objections, 2020 6 objections facts are facts. Harry Reid really wanted those federal judges and went nuclear, well now the republicans really wanted those SC justices and went nuclear. I could go on and on, but one thing is for sure, when same is done to the left, they will claim foul and extremism.

 

What illegal maneuvers did he use? Post a link to the law that states, specifically, that they were illegal.

Tip: if they were illegal, Congress wouldn't have to pass a law making them illegal.

 

How is this a "blow to Trump"?

 

The fake electors. And Congress isn't passing a new law making them illegal. There are currently at least two criminal investigations into that plot.

Plus, most of the "changes" are just adding more specific language now that, for the first time in our nation's history, a faction was either was too illiterate to understand it or is so corrupt as to pretend that they didn't. Take the whole "The VP has no power to decide the election" thing. That was already the case if you read the Constitution and our election laws, but Congress is now getting more specific with the language.

 

It has everything to do with them were there a successful challenge in the Congress else they were a moot point. The reform even the DEMS are now supporting still allow a challenge the threshold will just be higher.

 

Same law, same challenge nothing in the Eastman memo changes that. The riot was the last thing Trump needed to happen, deal with it.

 

The projection is coming from Trump and his supporters. Just another legal loss for both.