Electric-Car Owners Hard Hit by Massive California Power Shutdown

whatever.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

No, you show me the proof.

 

The sun is free, buddy. The cost vs return is 8 years. And the oil is not getting cheaper,.. solar panels are.

 

You need proof sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide are greenhouse gasses? Both are produced in the silicone making process.

 

Solar systems aren't. Cost vs return is based on how much electricity you consume.

 

I'm sorry electric cars won't have the lifespan of conventional car.

Or perhaps unicorn farts and fairy dust.

 

They want you off the grid so they are safe to work on it.
So if you want power you need one of these.
https://www.solar.com/learn/will-solar-panels-keep-working-if-the-power-goes-out/

 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/average-commute-u-s-states-cities/
Doesn't look like it.

 

You are real close to understanding the problem, let me take it a step further to close that gap.

In the electric business there is transmission and distribution, transmission is the very high wattage, high voltage part of the grid that moves power around large areas, sometimes spanning many states.

Transmission is commonly above 69KV, normally well above that, such as 250Kv to 500Kv, the higher the voltage, the more wattage can be pushed through the conductors without having to upsize those conductors.

Distribution is normally below 69Kv, commonly in residential distribution, 13.2Kv phase to phase or 7.6Kv phase to neutral those amounts vary from utility to utility.

Solar farms and wind farms are considered transmission feeders, however both solar and wind is not considered reliable sources of power to the transmission grid.

The transmission grid must be balanced, load must match generation, if generation exceeds load it must be dumped by taking generation off-line, this is because the transmission grid at this time lacks any real world method of storing power, that's being worked on, but for now but it is expensive and highly polluting to manufacture as well as to dispose of at end of life.

If load exceeds generation, then there will be blackouts, because if the load exceeds what the grid can supply it will protect itself by dumping loads creating localized blackouts.

To keep everything balanced the old and still in place method is fossil fuel generation or nukes, these methods of generation once fired up are stable and run at full designed power, they for now cannot be modulated to a lower level of generation.

The problem therefore is the introduction of unreliable sources of generation, such as solar and wind, to ensure the transmission grid remains balanced when these unreliable sources of power are connected to the transmission grid utilities utilize generation known as peakers.

Peakers are turbine powered generators that can be spooled up within minutes as needed, if a utility transmission management system detects a lowering of generation by an unreliable source it will activate peakers to backfill the loss of generation by the unreliable source.

However peakers are not efficient compared to traditional generation, when fired by fuel oil or JP-1 they have a large CO2 output which counter acts and sometime negates the CO2 reduction provided by solar or wind.

In other words the so called solution many times makes the problem worse and more complicated and expensive to manage.

 

My Brother in Law lives in Penryn (Between Sacramento and Auburn). He is a quadriplegic in an electric wheelchair. He was screwed.

Think of it this way. The folks in NorCal were Beta Testers for the Green New Deal.

 

it doesn't save the planet that's worse for the planet. First you have to generate electricity which is less efficient if it was more efficient all of our cars would already be electric. Then you got to dig up and refine the materials rare earth materials. Then because there's few components involved in the car there's not going to be much to repair so when it has a problem it's likely just going to wind up in a landfill.

If you buy a used car you're not forcing anybody to produce anything it's already been produced. in fact you may actually be saving it from the landfill that's far more green that's far better for the planet.

they're actually wouldn't be you get out that far the sun looks more like a distant star.

well it's still going to have brakes bearings gearboxes and axles and all those parts breakdown exactly the same as they would on a conventional vehicle.

well your vacuum cleaner probably gets nowhere near the same usage your car does and when your vacuum cleaner starts to break down you probably just throw it away which is what you would probably do with your electric car.

No it's not that I'm too poor to buy a new car I'm too sensible. And I'm too sensible to buy a novelty car like a Tesla.

Further they wouldn't feed my needs.

 

I keep 25lt of spare diesel in a Jerry Can in the van, the least I keep in the fuel tank is half full. My cooker runs on gas, my septic tank doesn't have a blower, it's not electric dependent. For heat, I can chuck logs on the fire and then go under the kitchen floor to connect the back boiler pump for hot water. It runs off 12v. For light, candles.

Due to flooding and being without power for two weeks, never suffered whatsoever because of no electric. You cannot rely on electric.

With the size of the UK, we can travel a handful of miles to shops and garages where the electric is on. I can also pop over either side is the English/Scottish border.

Must suck to live in California.

 

You understand really nothing about buying and selling electricity. lol

 

Nope. It has to do with the cost of the panel you buy, and selling the electricity back into the net.

 

You wrote "Are fossil fuels are worse show some proof."... you already forgot? You go prove me that one.

 

Only if subsidized, I have worked the numbers over and over again every few years for my home, and the ROI is still not there to make it worthwhile.

And a lot of people fail to understand the damage solar panels can do to a roof and the impact installing them can do to the ability to resell their home and the increased homeowners insurance rates that installing them will cause.

 

Or you need to store the excess.

 

Oh I understand way more about it than most people do, maybe including you.

Since you are so smart please tell all of us what's the spot price for a Gigawatt on the Southeast grid for November is right now?

 

I wouldn't know why. They are giving a guarantees for the battery for 8 years or 100.000 miles. That seems to be the most important part, which can be replaced. Big whoop.

 

Don't you get a subsidy?
Do you compare them to subsidized fossil fuel subsidies?

 

First of all. The electricity in cars generated by batteries is far more efficient than burning fuel to power your car. And not just by "a bit".
https://blog.greenenergyconsumers.org/blog/why-efficiency-matters-for-electric-cars

And you're ruling out the option of buying a 2nd hand electric car, because of... what?

Such a place doesn't come with a fossil fuel either, buddy. That's still on earth. While the sun is out there.

An electric car still has far less moving parts, and no combustion. The maintenance of such cars is simply far less. As for your brakes.... electric cars use their engine to do that,... sucking up the energy back in the battery... that saves on brake bearings. lol

https://www.capitalone.com/bank/money-management/car/do-electric-cars-save-money/

That is saying I can't afford a Ferrari so I can not afford any other car that runs on fossil fuel

 

I can not get a solar subsidy unless I use grid-tie solar, and homeowners are not offered subsidies for fossil fuel because there is no such thing.

 

Here is the solution for that. Buy a siri or alexa, and ask that device such question and you get an answer.
Happy?

 

Batteries in EV's do not generate power they can only store it, get a clue as to the technology.

 

Why, I have access to tools that will accurately help me design solar power systems versus using the consumer way of trying to get a stupid answer.

 

It is difficult to predict the future but for every climate change advocate (that really has little or nothing to do about climate) there are as many interests in the world who's economy depends on not destroying their fossil fuel income.

We have known the capabilities of electric motors and how they can be used to power vehicles for 100 years. There have been some improvements along the way the same as there have been improvements made to internal combustion engines. Improvements to batteries and electric motors may accelerate some in the next 20 or so years depending on demand.

If electric ever reaches parody with gas engines for cars, motorcycles, trucks and tractors then the world may transition to electric. If any of the climate change people are even half way right, by the time the world is capable of transitioning to all electric vehicles, we will all be dead anyway.