This sub-forum is characterised by tabloidism, spurious conclusion and deliberate anti-intellectualism. Is there anyone on here that can buck the trend? If so please present an empirical study that you believe supports your position on gun control. Note: I won't be responding to the right wing spammers so hold insipidity!
As soon as you actually provide one. I caught you making up one study, and posting another nobody can access in a previous thread
Buy John Lott's book and read it. Then read the many peer reviewed studies available on line, plus the follow up papers. There's plenty of empirical evidence on the subject. If you really want to learn you wouldn't be asking this question here, you just go learn on your own.
I don't rate Lott's stuff. Its very easy to question the robustness of the analysis (e.g. the stuff on concealed carry was reliant on a dummy variable methodology incapable of isolating gun effects). In terms of analysis supportive of the gun lobby position you'll find Kleck's stuff is much more impressive.
Ayuh,.... It's more like Whinin',.... The common peasants are not complyin' with the dictates of academia... Common sense beats yer empirical studies.... yer empirical studies deny the complexion of the corpses...
Running from one thread to prematurely start another thread on the same topic...what an inefficient and wasteful use of a resource! Typical of those whose "study" isn't bearing the preconceived "fruit" they anticipated. An econometric sin, no? Right wing? When I see a label thrown about I begin to suspect the strength of the name caller's case is thin/non-existent. It would seem you are holding an exchange with yourself and that is as social lacking and productive as a tart looking into a mirror in the hope of garnering community attention and approval. Perhaps this is emotionally satisfying for you? How about something we can all share in vs. your conversation with yourself?
I will continue to cite peer reviewed academic journals. I'm sure you fellows, to maintain your ideological bent, won't. Indeed, so far I've only seen a rather innocent comment over Lott.
You've got nothing to say. I already know that you're 'innocent' of the available empirical evidence. Attempting to attack someone for using best practice literature review methods just confirms it.
Agree. However, these attributes are MUCH more prevalent among those advocating for more gun control, rather than by those advocating for the right to keep and bear arms. Why don't you respond to your own inquiry by finally posting a free, accessable article that buttresses your argument. My argument has always been the null hypothesis of the argument, "More gun control is effective in decreasing violent crime and murder." I have yet to see any real evidence that supports this notion, and thus I feel that the null hypothesis to this (e.g. More gun control is ineffective...) cannot be rejected.
I always refer directly to the primary research. Best practice! Sometimes you can be lucky and find off-prints (e.g. Cook and Ludwig). I'm not interested in the innocence of the literature in this thread. I'm interested in any papers that I haven't yet read. I've referenced numerous articles that find gun control measures have been statistically successful. Can you refer to one that shows otherwise?
You've most likely missed this one http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
You failed to meet the criteria of the thread. Fancy trying? Just need reference to the available empirical evidence
Hhmmm... I usually post links, facts, and truths with "Empirical Evidence." But those that love darkness, lies, and corruption blow them off as conspiracy theories, "tabloidism," etc. Why? Because it's TRUTH, RIGHT, and FACT. TRUTH, FACT, and RIGHT deniers would rather believe what is dark, lies, and corrupt. They're only living out their nature. NOT too many people love and appreciate good, solid, hard TRUTHS and FACTS. 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.- Matthew 7:13 - 20 WORDS OF THE BLESSED LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST ONLY PEOPLE THAT LOVE AND ARE IN THE LIGHT LOVE TRUTHS, FACTS, AND WHAT IS RIGHT. 2 A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, But a fool’s heart at his left.- Ecclesiastes 10:2 (SAID AND WRITTEN BACK IN THE B.C. TIME PERIOD) The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations 31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[c] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ 41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him,[d] saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”- Matthew 25:31 - 46 WORDS OF THE BLESSED LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”- John 3:18 - 21 WORDS OF THE BLESSED LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST Interesting contrast, NO? Even back then, as far back as those days, there were battles between the RIGHT and the LEFT. It will be the same in and on the Last Day. ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU A SHEEP OR A GOAT? ARE YOU ON THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT? DO YOU KNOW HIM?
John 3 The New Birth 3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him. 3 Jesus answered and said to him, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mothers womb and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again. 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said to him, Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God. John the Baptist Exalts Christ 22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized. 24 For John had not yet been thrown into prison. 25 Then there arose a dispute between some of Johns disciples and the Jews about purification. 26 And they came to John and said to him, Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testifiedbehold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him! 27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but, I have been sent before Him. 29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegrooms voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. 33 He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. 34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. 36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
