Enough

with the daffy duck conspiracy theories already.

 

IBTL?

Meh, people are free to speculate, even in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary.

 

MK Ultra was once a conspiracy theory. So was Gulf of Tonkin. So was Iran Contra.

Just sayin'

 

^ Those are actually quite small potatoes compared to what circulates here.

Gulf of Tonkin, all that happened was a U.S. gunboat goading the North Vietnamese into attacking it by steering close to their territorial waters. Yet people for some reason think that's on the same level as crashing two airliners into skyscrapers, a third into the Pentagon, and a fourth into a crop field, killing 3,000 Americans and causing trillions in damages.

 

HA! I'll be the CIA TOLD you to post that.

 

I knew one who actually did argue that Barbara Olson and the passengers and crew of the 9/11 airliners were actually alive at a "secret base" ..."somewhere". And that Ted Olson KNEW, but had been "paid off" to pretend she was dead and to re-marry years later.

The more "mainstream" ones simply say that they were "flown out into the Atlantic and crashed"....and somehow every radar screen on the East Coast was "jammed" and naturally not ONE piece of debries ever washed up on-shore.

 

And now the CIA knows you're on to them. Good going! Now you need to cash out your bank accounts, cancel your credit cards, destroy your cell phone, pack some vitals and head to the hills to some discreet, undisclosed location. You'll need to change your hairstyle and dye it and you might want to grow a beard to help confuse facial recognition software. Don't say goodbye to anyone you know, you'll never see them again. If you have a gun, take it..you'll need it. Stay off the phones, don't use ATM's and don't try to flee the country through an airport.

Your life as you know it is over. You're off the grid and underground. Stay away from your family; you'll only get them killed. You're f***ed.

 

How about if I just watch a lot of episodes of "Doomsday Preppers" and sit back, crack another beer, and say "Ya know. I might do me some of that one of these days"?

 

Yeah, sure let's trust them because the CIA has never done stuff like this:



Link to New York Times archive of the project document that Congress forced to the light.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/10/us/sidney-gottlieb-80-dies-took-lsd-to-cia.html
In the 1950's and early 1960's, the agency gave mind-altering drugs to hundreds of unsuspecting Americans in an effort to explore the possibilities of controlling human consciousness. Many of the human guinea pigs were mental patients, prisoners, drug addicts and prostitutes -- ''people who could not fight back,'' as one agency officer put it. In one case, a mental patient in Kentucky was dosed with LSD continuously for 174 days.


http://www.sfweekly.com/2012-03-14/news/cia-lsd-wayne-ritchie-george-h-white-mk-ultra/

It's been over 50 years, but Wayne Ritchie says he can still remember how it felt to be dosed with acid.

He was drinking bourbon and soda with other federal officers at a holiday party in 1957 at the U.S. Post Office Building on Seventh and Mission streets. They were cracking jokes and swapping stories when, suddenly, the room began to spin. The red and green lights on the Christmas tree in the corner spiraled wildly. Ritchie's body temperature rose. His gaze fixed on the dizzying colors around him.

The deputy U.S. marshal excused himself and went upstairs to his office, where he sat down and drank a glass of water. He needed to compose himself. But instead he came unglued. Ritchie feared the other marshals didn't want him around anymore. Then he obsessed about the probation officers across the hall and how they didn't like him, either. Everyone was out to get him. Ritchie felt he had to escape.

He fled to his apartment and sought comfort from his live-in girlfriend. It didn't go as planned. His girlfriend was there, but an argument erupted. She told him she was growing tired of San Francisco and wanted to return to New York City. Ritchie couldn't handle the situation. Frantic, he ran away again, this time to the Vagabond Bar where he threw back more bourbon and sodas. From there, he hit a few more bars, further cranking up his buzz. As he drank his way back to Seventh and Mission, Ritchie concocted a plan that would change his life.

Now in his mid-eighties and living in San Jose, Ritchie may be among the last of the living victims of MK-ULTRA, a Central Intelligence Agency operation that covertly tested lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) on unwitting Americans in San Francisco and New York City from 1953 to 1964.

Times Union

One secret CIA research project that used unwitting American citizens as subjects was code-named MK Ultra. It lasted 10 years and ended in 1963, shortly after Ted graduated from Harvard. MK Ultra experiments used sensory deprivation, sleep learning, subliminal projection, electronic brain stimulation, and hallucinogenic drugs to study various applications for behavior modification. One project was designed to see if subjects could be programmed to kill on demand. Experiments were conducted in penal institutions, mental institutions, and on university campuses. Some hapless human subjects went crazy, and some are known to have committed suicide.

When the media began to catch wind of a program of secret government experimentation on American citizens, former CIA director Richard Helms ordered many records pertaining to MK Ultra destroyed. Thus, the full scope of the program and its abuses may never be known.

The Harvard study my brother participated in was called “Multiform Assessments of Personality Development Among Gifted College Men.” It was overseen by the noted psychologist Henry Murray, who during WWII worked for the OSS (which later became the CIA), where he developed methodologies for interrogating prisoners of war. In his professional life, Murray was known for his brilliance and his grandiosity. In his personal life, according to his biographer, he displayed sadistic tendencies. His research on college men bears a certain resemblance to his research on prisoners of war. He was quite a big wheel in his day, perhaps as well known and influential in military and government circles as he was in academia.

Were the so-called “Murray experiments” part of MK Ultra? It may be that no one living knows the answer to this question. We know that the experiments were highly unpleasant for my brother and for some others who participated. We know that the basic premise of the research was to study how bright college students would react to aggressive and highly stressful attacks on their beliefs and values.

 

Yea these truthers miss the bigger picture.

If your going to create a false flag event you don't try and pull off something as complicated as 9/11. The sheer number of things that could go wrong and the amount of people involved makes it stupid. Its so extreme that it has to have been real.

I went through a tornado once and there were plenty of things that happened that I couldn't explain. It doesn't mean it was a conspiracy. There was a house down the street that was just gone, except for one wall in the bathroom that had shelves on it. There were little knick knacks on these shelves that didn't move, yet the entire house was gone?

How is this even possible?

I saw a tree that had a sock through it. We literally chopped up the tree and pulled the sock out. How the hell does a sock go through solid wood?

Unexplainable but it doesn't mean its a conspiracy.

 

Apples to oranges. You describe phenomenon or a prank.

Conspiracy is covering up the fact that you are running arms to central American militants, or Mexican drug cartels. Conspiracies are Iran Contra and MK Ultra where we still don't know the big picture because people started shredding and we're left with very few documents and testimony--and based on the documents we do have on MK Ultra I would probably throw up if I read the rest of it.

 

Unless they knew ahead of time it was going to go down, allowed it to happen, and assisted. That takes very little effort, actually.

 

Green? (*)(*)(*)(*), there goes my "blue skittles" theory.

But enough about that; I wanna hear what the conspiracy is with Daffy. Does it implicate either Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck, and if so, who else could be involved? Does Michael Jordan know about this?

 

That may certainly be possible.

Similar to how FDR knew the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming.

Did you know the Brits were trailing the Japanese fleet with a sub?

 

Did not know.

 

911 is a joke in your town.

You do realize that 911 theorizing can apply to not only what happened on that day, but also the cover-up and aftermath. I'd be happy to make you crawl away with statements by the investigators.

One thing is for sure on WWII, FDR, possibly the worst president in history, provoked the Japanese with economic sanctions, acts of war.

 

Yes we know the Japanese were forced into war but that isn't really relevant to our leaders knowing the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming.

Its not coincidence that our aircraft carriers were sent away, without escorts, just before the attack.

 

I think most people who don't by the official story also don't believe that the planes never hit, or anything extremely weird like that. A lot of people don't care about the logistics, just assume it was angry Muslims who did it, but also believe that, on some level, the government wanted it and allowed it, which really isn't that far fetched.

 

As my frien Zoi said, we may have known about it and let it happen, I'll give you that. Saying that we set it up is just ridiculous. The Bush administration couldn't even handle Katrina yet they are smart enough to pull off the greatest conspiracy the world has ever seen?

Don't think so.

What probably happened was they were clueless but it happened so they took advantage of it to launch their stupid war with Iraq.

 

This thread is yet another attempt by the corporate-governmental-global banking elitists to silence our fact-filled speculations on the demise of human life as we know it.

 

Most of the terrorists (all except the pilots) got on those planes thinking it was going to be a hi-jacking. Only a handful of people on the ground needed to know. From the hi-jackers point of view, just about everything that could go wrong did go wrong. In other words, there was not a sheer number of people involved or a sheer number of things that could go wrong.

 

What Z said about the conspiracy theories of the past that have come true. Makes me skeptical of current conspiracies.

 

I think it's a long way from being far-fetched. At the time, hi-jacking was a piece of cake and, once airborne, all the ATC in the world couldn't have stopped it. Any insider knucklehead could have taken advantage of the lack of coordination between ATC and the Air Force if they had known about that lack, which probably rules out Islamic foreigners and street level citizens.