[video=youtube;_NufbKwnggA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NufbKwnggA&list=PL4kAMiuuZB8kzmFIy1x0c_i_ bSLvCBqnJ[/video] Saw this great video on Upworthy. The best summation of men's rights I have ever seen. There won't be real gender equality until men change their attitudes to themselves. The macho stereotypes help no-one. But, one question; he says 'gender equality movements' which seems a bit vague. How do we get men to stop trying to live up to the macho roles that they are taught from childhood? http://www.upworthy.com/this-guys-not-the-first-to-say-it-but-men-and-women-are-not-really-all-that-equal-in-everything
I agree we need to get away from macho stereotypes. They are very limiting. I don't understand them at all. But he is getting into any kind of specifics. What concerns me is that is he actually just talking about further emasculating men? A man should be strong, but there are ways of being strong without being domineering and in control For example, I will not let anyone define or label me, regardless of gender. I will also not let anyone be the boss of me, except in the workplace. All I want to do is be allowed to be myself. I am so tired of people saying things like "you can't do that" or you can't say that" because "it's offensive to me". That's another way of being strong, that is growing a thick skin and not letting petty things bother you Now, I'm not interested in being controlling or domineering over women. Neither will I allow them to be domineering over me. You do have to be strong to do that, even though it generally means you will be reviled and ostracized from society because people expect you to just let people walk all over you. Going your own way, defining your own role in society takes strength, and not the manly macho man kind of strength. I really do hope that video is actually not just trying to use tricky language in order to support the emsaculation of men. It takes a lot of strength to develop ethics and morals too. Most people do not like ethics and morality because they are hard things to do and people want life to be easy.
In the voice of a woman: I agree we need to get away from macho stereotypes. They are very limiting. I don't understand them at all. But he is getting into any kind of specifics. What concerns me is that is he actually just talking about further emasculating men? A woman should be strong, but there are ways of being strong without being domineering and in control For example, I will not let anyone define or label me, regardless of gender. I will also not let anyone be the boss of me, except in the workplace. All I want to do is be allowed to be myself. I am so tired of people saying things like "you can't do that" or you can't say that" because "it's offensive to me". That's another way of being strong, that is growing a thick skin and not letting petty things bother you Now, I'm not interested in being controlling or domineering over men. Neither will I allow them to be domineering over me. You do have to be strong to do that, even though it generally means you will be reviled and ostracized from society because people expect you to just let people walk all over you. Going your own way, defining your own role in society takes strength, and not the manly macho man kind of strength. I really do hope that video is actually not just trying to use tricky language in order to support the emsaculation of men. It takes a lot of strength to develop ethics and morals too. Most people do not like ethics and morality because they are hard things to do and people want life to be easy. """" Now maybe you could explain who is trying to emasculate men and what that means......
Why is it that when a discussion is about men women always have to turn it into a discussion about women and it becomes a blame the man fest? Can't we please have an open and honest discussion without that?
Personally I think there is discrimination on both sides of the coin and for the most the more radical elements of both are highlighted far more than anything else, both sides of the coin are guilty of doing this. I personally don't want to see positive discrimination in favour of men or women, and it gets like a school playground sometimes with one side saying such and such is discrimination against men and the other saying this and that is discrimination against women .. it becomes little more than a pissing contest. Looking and reading the threads in this sub forum and it is plain to see that the majority are nothing more than attacks on the feminist movement as a whole, as if highlighting a few radicals is really a true reflection of the majority of feminists and vice-versa to. For the most the blame lies squarely in historical cultural stereotyping where men should be strong and in control, while women should be weak and submissive .. if anything it is this historical cultural stereotyping that needs to change.
Hey aren't you the guy who thought it was reasonable that Swedish feminists were trying to pass a law to force men to pee sitting down???? I'm not an, "anti-feminist," I'm an egalitarean. Where feminist arguments have merit I support them. But the only feminist arguments that have any merit that I can think of are, "slut shaming" (which is done by both genders, but i'd say, in my experience more often it is done by other women), How women are treated in some third world countries, and how women may have been treated in the past (but a lot of people were treated poorly in the past, including white men who weren't wealthy. Who wasn't treated poorly in the past??? just the wealthy) Every other feminist argument is a lie, including feminism stands for equality.
Nope. I was the guy who looked at the reasoning behind the above suggested law and didn't just jump on the bandwagon, and asked question such as "could it be better, would it be more hygienic", and in the end decided it wasn't really that good an idea, weren't you the guy that just slammed anyone who didn't agree with you? Where did I say you were a anti-feminists, and why do you assume my response is about you, are you a radical on either side of the coin? and you make exactly the point I stated and thus another thread will turn into a "women do this", "men do that" pissing contest.
Strawman. Because you women will just come in a whine in there no matter where we go. I really think this forum should be renamed gender rights.
Not a strawman , a fact, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not a fact. Talk to the administration if you want a Gender Rights forum......or just whine about it as men tend to do
