Europeans have no logic, because Christ is a false messiah

Europeans have no logic, because Christ is a false messiah
do you agree
ask the Jews
go to the synagogue

 

Why just Europeans? It was Jews - Matthew. John, Paul and others that first proclaimed Jesus as Messiah.
Ask which Jews. Many Messianic Jews accept Jesus as Christianity does. The real truth is that a survey some years ago show that most Jews in the world no longer practice their religion.
We only have the doubtful words of the NT for any claim that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. A study of the Tanakh against Jesus words we have show that he preached and practised Judaism. The Nativity stories and the Trial are simply made up, misused Tanakh scriptures adjusted for the writers benefit, and go against the Roman and Jewish laws/rules of the time. A study of both ends up with Jesus in Egypt and Nazareth at the same time. Another miracle?

 

i know exactly why christ is a false messiah
I was in the synagogue and talked with the Jews

 

Of course they told you why according to their beliefs. Their Messiah is to be an ordinary man who will lead them to victory over the nations of the world. This comes from their interpretation of various Tanakh scriptures and so-called prophecies .I don't believe in 'prophecies' and most of these were written at the time or later. The problem with these beliefs is that it is just their interpretation. They are fanatical about their scriptures but believing is not always fact. The Pentatuech is the start of their faith. But we know that
Abraham through to Moses is simply a story written to give the Hebrews an origin. Written in the Babylonian Exile period by various scribes. What they believe is simply a matter of faith - not necessarily established fact. There were no 12 tribes. Israel was a lone tribe settled in the Judean hill country. The rest of Palestine was occupied by indigenous Palestine tribes.
The Tanakh - as with the NT - is a religious book which is followed blindly by 'believers'. This happens with all religions. Believe or else.
I was brought up a Christian. I am now an atheist due to study of the Bible and the background and ancient history on which it is written

 

not their beliefs but their logic is strong

 

What's logical about believing mythical stories.

 

Whats logical about believing in mythical stories.

 

Each person's religious beliefs are a private matter and no one else's business. If a man wants to worship rocks, that's his/her right and no one else's approval is required and no one else's condemnation is justified. Everyone's beliefs are between that individual and the God he/she believes in... or doesn't believe in.

 

the synagogue was before the church, therefore, the Jews are right

 

Revelation can only be direct and personal. Anything else, spoken or written, is mere hearsay. Choosing to believe a religion is one thing. The problem is that the majority of "believers" become so without truly experiencing having made a choice. The fact is, those who promote believing in this way do all they can to obscure the choice part. That would give the believer too much freedom and responsibility. Also, too many humans actually seek to avoid personal responsibility for their existence.
If one "knows "God" ", he needs no one and nothing else. If he does not, then any 'belief' he may have is actually just wishing and, as stated, based on hearsay.

 

And that's logic? A lot of Jewish belief is taken from earlier cultures/ religions. A lot of Christrian belief is taken from Judaism. Islam is a twisted version of the Tanakh.

 

I'm fine with logic
i am a lawyer

 

if I am wrong, then Christians should convert to Islam

 

I see no reason for Lawyers being more logic al than many other people. Logic is a matter of reasoning and the answer is usually the result of experience.

I cannot see any reason why Christians should convert to Islam. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all stem from the mythical stories and people found in the Pentatuech. These stories are influenced by other beliefs from Egypt, Babylon, Ugarit etc. The 10 commandments are simply a code for living given supposedly given by Jahweh. Other civilisations had their own codes (Commandments) which were always attributed to their god. Hammurabi claims his code was given by Marduk - his god. Ur Nammu ditto. There's little new in the Abrahamic religions. Religion is the need to believe in something beyond oneself.

 

Religion is personal and no one else's business. If someone wants to worship rocks, that is their business and not yours.

Unless one's religion demands murder, beheading babies and burning people alive. Then they need to be exterminated... like Hamas.

 

then you have no logic

 

I don't want to prove anything
maybe you are a paid troll

 

This life begins at conception. Therefore to see life in heaven, one must be born again of water and spirit.

You should never take another mans word in regards to God and your eternal welfare.

 

What's logical about Christians becoming Islamic? Logic comes from reasoning things out. If you have read my previous post the logical thing is to dismiss religion. I've spent decades studying Middle East religions and they all are based on myth. Therefore the logical thing is to reject them - as I did many years ago.

 

Then tell religions to stop proselytising. At least Judaism doesn't do that.

 

There is a difference between believing and knowing. To believe is to labor, but to know is to find rest. To whom is sanity a myth but to the insane. God lives.

 

I've never witnessed any religious person trying to convince me of anything... except for a guy in Penn Station one time who stood on the third step of a stairway in the crowd and started preaching. He provided a good laugh and that was about it.

 

No-one 'knows God' .

 

You've never passed a church with a cross outside, or religious posters? You've never seen Islamic men and women in Moslem dress? These are all advertisements for their religion. JW's, Mormons regularly proselytise.

 

We've been through this before. You believe in characters from the OT that are part of a mythical story written by scribes in the Babylonian exile.to give the Hebrews an origin. Characters disproved by ancient history. You believe that people travelled from Palestine to the North American continent to escape the Babylonians. No proof ever found. Visions are the workings of the human brain.