Evolution

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  1. Anobsitar

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    In a very long run we cannot survive. We are ourselve a kind of paradox - we are ourselve life - and life is dying in this universe here. I would say the rules of thermodynamics don't allow us and all life to survive in a very long term. But I also don't know the problems and solutions the next future generations will be able to find. So I would say: as long as we don't have any holy gral we should try to keep the balance on starship earth. The "blow away" philosophy is in my eyes not very helpful - how you can see directly if you remember the death of Archimedes. Every idiot is able to destroy and to live afterwards in the illusion "I healed because I murdered". If someone knives Archimedes then Archimedes is dead - forever. And the kniver is not able to replace Archimedes.

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  2. stig42

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    bits of the universe can probably be made habitble after this world is gone but before universe runs down still better off whith danderous but inteligant life

    i dont care about most life thouh so long as ican get by if nature dooms us all weer not that bad
     
  3. Bishadi

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    in a way, this is a really cool post.

    It actually shares what the questions are


    'yes' we can.
    we can give of our energy that does 'good' (support life to continue) and combines with other lives, that live longer, there in, 'we' each can live longer, by choice.

    'We' can 'evolve' our capabilities, with knowledge. You and i are talking, right here because of our increased capabilities.

    that's the beauty, 'we' can abuse entropy by choice. I can put on a coat when cold. A fact!

    I can write, right here and enable lives, by choice and live in them contributions to existence. (that's the payment: the lives of others 'evolving')

    Your example below is 'perfect evidence'. you used archimedes acts of vitue cause you to enable his life a longer term.

    how long has he been gone? but alive? yes

    go back to the fact that you are a 'life' (light) upon mass, capable of causing actions within (upon) existence.

    when 'awake' (conscious), you are capable to cause life (good)

    when not capable........ you live in what you did! (heaven and hell; is your actions upon existence (good or bad), and now knowing it)

    'we' are the generations for them future lives

    if 'we' ,,,,,, fff it up, it is our fault (you and i, us and a them)

    That 'holy gral' is the 'key' to knowledge. What is 'life'?!?!

    the blow away truth is to understand what you are in existence.


    archemedes is here and now, standing with truth and pride, with all capability of the ever lasting life

    because of what he did! Nothing can undo the 'good' enabled. He is forever in the book of life!


    what are you going to do?


    Are you adding too us all?

    The post did it!
     
  4. Anobsitar

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    That's also somehow true because we will never know something about our own death. Our own death is not able to be any experience of ourselve. We are always only able to see others dying and able to see that someone else is dead. And if our descendants have really some billion years time to evolve within in this universe nobody knows what will happen. But our descendants will have only some billion years if we will survive today. So "yes we can" survive for the moment now - until one day one moment will come, when we will not be able to ask any longer anything in combination with this question.

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    Evolution has nothing to do with our will. Evolution is a natural law. No one evolves something. Evolution has not intentions. Evolution has no directions. Our descdendants are also able to be some colonies of animals in a sea of poison in a few hundred million years.

    If we like to change somehting or if we like to keep something stable then we have to make plans. A plan is teleological (shows a way to an aim) - evolution is not teleological.

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    That is incorrect… When people are “responsible” when other fail the other pick up the slack, which you will not be responsible for. Frogs have went extinct in your lifetime, what did you do about it? Life is endangered and what have you done?

    Don’t get on a soap box unless you can handle being knocked down…

    It’s never been that way, so why are you trying to start that now? As long as farming been farming – man has been… guess what?

    Farming… :)

    Unless God “specifically” told you about taking care of the animals, then you do what The Bible says… Can you find me some scripture that states that I am responsible for all life on this planet? If you are a Christian it has to be from the Ten Commandments or Jesus’s word… either will do…

    I will rephrase… I do not deny people “think” they have a responsibility for all… my daughter has that… a passion for all creatures big and small… I do not… I will kill a intruder in my house that is unwanted by any means necessary. I do not feel a “responsibility” to share my food with life that I don’t want to, such as mice, ants and roaches… I will rid my house of all intruders! ESPECIALLY SPIDERS!!!

    Uhhhhh… :( just gross…
     
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    how is that?

    you put them letter together, by choice.

    did you or did you not?

    The natural law is the processes that are instinctively in place. Breathing is following them. life, follows them and mankind is the only thing, that i know that can break the 'law' by choice.

    your premise is flawed as you remove your own capability to cause an action, within existence

    a designer of an airplane 'creates' an idea, that can combine, to make an airplane.

    and the newer planes share the planes evolve, each generation

    the intention of a life, is to 'live'

    whether you like it or not.

    the direction is based on the environment.

    kind of like, you can fly a plane across the country, in a pretty direct line, but on the ground, you have to follow the path
    creating the plane is 'shows a way' (blue prints)

    the idea that evolution is a teleological argument is for morons

    life, evolves naturally.

    religions are opinions, culturally speaking, of course



    life will evolve with or without opinions


    and the idea that knowledge is evolving is the single best method of comprehending that mankind does in fact, have a unique attribute to contribute to existence (nature); the ability to comprehend itself




    ie...the pinnacle of evolution; existence comprehending itself



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  8. Wolf Ritter

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    That doesn't mean outpacing. Look at it in mathematical terms. You have three species, two die out, the remaining speciates to take over their niche. You're back to three. Extinction still occurs more often, but it doesn't mean it's
    'outpacing', that's a strawman you pulled out of your ass.
     
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    Doesn't sound impossible, I suppose.
     
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    You wan - I lost - bye bye.

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    So why do you call the planful construction of aeroplanes "evolution"? I don't have any problem to understand what someone means if he speaks about the evolution of aeroplanes - nevertheless this has not really something to do with the scientific theory of evolution in biology. Every detail follows intentional plans in case of planes. Aeroplane contructors hate uncalculable risks much more than anything else. To try to work in minimal steps with millions of deadly mistakes would drive them crazy.

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    Funny how you can say all this about “you” personally being responsible about “all” life on this planet, then when asked what did you do to prevent species from becoming extinct – you disappear…

    Find that funny? I do… No worries… Your God knows your heart, and knows that if you told me the truth and how you have tried to save all life on this planet or not… That’s Hell and a future date that doesn’t involve me. If you lied – you can always repent to us and tell the truth – maybe just say you over exaggerated or something… But, not let us believe a lie… OR – you actually have spent time trying to save those species that have been extinct in your lifetime and working with groups to save others from the same fate…

    Like I said – only Your God knows, and like you said… Only Hell awaits you if you lied…. :) Good luck!!!



    You’ll need it….
     
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    I may be wrong, but I thought it was over 60% of life became extinct… some even going up to 95%...

    Dinosaurs lived with Crurotarsi… because “we” live with some Crurotarsi… They are the classification for crocs and alligators… so please look into that, because that is an incorrect statement…

    The ones that survived back then (during any extinction) are still here today without any suggestion of evolution… So, I would say now dealing with your example, and basically any one that you can conjure up…

    All in all it would seem that extinctions are perfectly natural and that nature has a way of bouncing back no matter what is thrown at it. Then again, the earth will someday be swallowed by the sun as everything will become extinct.

    We have never caused a major extinction and probably would never be able to on a global scale unless we introduce nuclear warfare, but still we can look at that powerplant in Russion and know that the only life that would be damaged in radiation would be us… we’d cause only our own extinction…
     
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    Something I will post here and on my thread:

    Although the data doesn't directly contradict the idea of dinosaur superiority, the authors say it is likely that these crocodilians were even more successful than dinosaurs, the latter of which may have survived major extinctions due to sheer luck.

    "If you dissect the past, you can see that luck is a big part of everything in the grand scheme of evolution," says lead author Stephen Brusatte, a researcher at the American Museum of Natural History.


    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=was-the-dinosaurs-long-reign-a-fluke

    Crocs lived in the times of dinosaurs...
     
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    I can't help but think that this was a set-up to get into some religious discussion, but I'm not sure how.
     
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    Everything is chancy – luck, twist of fate, chance, the cause and effect notion or the intermingling of both, or the combination of all these factors account for what happened and is happening in the cosmos and we are sheer participants in the game organized or played by some entity other than us and we are the sheer results of all that is happening, the cause being something unknown
     
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    What do you like to hear?

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    What... wait... What? Okay... I'll bite, the sound of my 26 year old girlfriend when we are "doing it"...
     
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    Good grieve - what are you? A singing and swinging protozoon?

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