Explanation for Ukrainian authorities’ behavior towards Western politicians

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  1. Robert84

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    There have been numerous cases when Ukrainian authorities have exhibited a kind of behavior towards Western politicians which is absolutely unexplainable within the framework of official picture of relations between Ukraine and Western countries.

    Western media try to present these relations as Western assistance for Ukrainians who suffer. In this context, Ukrainian authorities should be very grateful for any help which they – as victims - receive from the West.

    But in reality, we see a completely different behavior of these authorities.

    Ukrainian authorities’ behavior towards Western politicians resembles behavior of contractors, with whom a certain agreement has been concluded. And these contractors do not ask but demand materials and tools which have been promised them for works under this agreement.

    Below you find some examples.

    Last year, Vitali Klitschko, Mayor of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv reacted to the delivery of 5.000 military helmets from Germany in the following way:

    And there is another strange aspect of Ukrainians’ behavior which cannot be explained within the framework of the official picture of Ukrainian crisis as this crisis is presented by Western media.

    Earlier this year, I have published the article What have Ukrainians been fighting for since 2013?

    And I came to the conclusion in this article that there had been absolutely no objective reasons for Ukrainian protests – for the so-called Euromaidan – in 2013 and 2014.

    In my opinion, the real goal of the Euromaidan was to change the political orientation of Ukraine because a large part of Ukrainian elite wanted to get money from the USA and Western countries for carrying out an extremely anti-Russian policy.

    And I am sure that there was a secret agreement between Western and Ukrainian politicians - Western politicians promised money and other support and Ukrainian politicians contracted to implement this extremely anti-Russian policy.

    Firstly, the above mentioned secret agreement explains why the Euromaidan was so well organized, well financed and successful in spite of the fact that there were absolutely no objective reasons for these protests.

    Secondly, this secret agreement explains why the Ukrainian authorities behave towards Western politicians in the above described manner.

    Ukrainians are not victims who suffer and therefore receive help from the West; Ukrainians are contractors who do a job for the West and so they don’t ask but demand means and tools from the West which are necessary for doing this job.

    And Ukrainian job is to arouse hostility against Russia.

    That is why, for example, Ukraine threatened Russia with military measures for “re-integration of the Crimea” into Ukraine - please see my article Has the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine been provoked?

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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In Feb 2014 the US removed the democratically elected government of Ukraine
    and replaced it with a handpicked pro America government.
    At that point the population was 45 million.

    In mid 2021 the Democrat dominated Congress voted to sent 70 million dollars
    of 'help' to Kyiv, which arrived at the front in Feb 2022, and the new howitzers
    and fragmentation shells were put into use.
    At that point the population was 37.5 million

    Currently the official figure for the population is just under 37 million but
    there are good estimates that it is far below that figure.

    My question is why are people leaving when we are helping them so much?
     
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    Ukrainians Begin To Despair As Bloody Counteroffensive Yields Small Gains
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    'Many citizens adopting a darker mood about the war, WaPo has detailed...'

    They've been sold a load of crap.

    'national unity is beginning to fray. The change in sentiment comes as Kiev’s spring counteroffensive fails to retake significant territory despite surging casualties. '

    '"Ukrainians, much in need of good news, are simply not getting any," the Washington Post reported Thursday. One Ukrainian, Alla Blyzniuk, interviewed by the outlet, said, "[before] people were united." Now, she described, a sense of collective "disappointment."'

    'most soldiers sent to the front die in just two to three days.'

    '"We’ve got all these guys coming back from the front line without limbs," she said. "I want the price they paid to be reasonable. Otherwise it’s just useless, what they went through."

    Her 'husband, a Ukrainian soldier who lost a leg, told the Post he would not enlist if he could make the choice again, adding that Kiev is sending untrained soldiers to the front lines.'

    "They are taking everyone and sending them to the front line without proper preparation," he said. "I don’t want to be in the company of unmotivated people."

    Yet another load of lies from the Bribed Biden Administration.
     
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    People in different parts of the world get different narratives.
    The official US narrative also covers Britain and possibly the rest of the Anglo sphere.

    It was dished out in the load of nonsense Biden was reading
    off the teleprompter to the press on Feb 24 2021:

    "The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine
    without provocation, without justification, without necessity..."

    The narrative Jens Stoltenberg gave out a year later in Europe, was
    "the war started in 2014..."

    And so on, every part of the world got a version it was felt would
    make them keen to fight Russia, but which wasn't too far out
    for them to believe.
     
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    I'll take a guess - the contract simplifies down to this:

    'You (Western and Central Ukraine) would like to destroy Russia so
    we'll supply the weapons and you go do it.'
     
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    It's all corruption. The corrupt politicians engage in war, sell it to the American People to fund, and then the corrupt politicians skim $Millions as hundreds of thousands slaughter each other.

    Warmongering Neocons To Spend $2 Million On Ads For Ukraine War
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    'Kristol-spawned "Republicans for Ukraine" is a textbook example of astroturfing'

    'more and more Republican legislators are saying "enough is enough."'

    'Kristol routinely spawns new political entities to advance the neocon agenda. In this case, a group called Defending Democracy Together -- an anti-Trump 501(c)(3) of which Kristol is president -- has itself spun out an entity called Republicans for Ukraine.'

    'Kristol and Longwell's hopeless effort to materially change the Ukraine poll numbers centers on a collection of video testimonials from self-identified Republicans who want the US government to redistribute even more wealth to Raytheon, General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman in the name of fighting Russia -- as if American security had anything at all to do with which government controls the Donbas region.'

    'The ad campaign will be delivered on television, billboards and online. A TV spot will run during the first Republican presidential debate on Wednesday, August 23.'
     
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    If anyone deserves thanks it's Victoria Nuland and the CIA for removing the elected government of Ukraine in Feb 2014, and

    the US 'defense' industry for supplying 1,600,000 big six inch fragmentation shells to turn Ukraine into a disaster area.
     
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    The real problem is that the Ukes made a tactical error and strategic error when they switched from partisan warfare to conventional most at Washington's behest I fear/
     

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