First transcripts from Jan. 6 committee reveal key witnesses refusing to testify

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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/politics/house-jan-6-committee-transcripts-fifth-amendment

    “The House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection released more than 30 witness interview transcripts Wednesday from key figures who aided former President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, including the likes of conservative attorney John Eastman and one-time national security adviser Michael Flynn.”

    Michael Flynn, John Eastman, Roger Stone and others in trump’s orbit all pleaded the Fifth to virtually every question they were asked. That screams a concern over their own criminal activities I know it can’t be used against them in a criminal trial, but it sure as hell can in the court of public opinion.

    There was a concerted and organized effort to overturn the result of the 2020 election. Illegally. I am deeply saddened that anyone who claims to love America can dismiss those efforts as a “nothingburger” or simply a “demonstration” or a “riot”.

    What trump and his team did was an attack on American democracy. Nothing less. And millions of people who call themselves patriots supported that attack.
     
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    It was a mostly peaceful protest where the vast majority walked around and took selfies of their own decision. No one provoked this, nor was it an attempt to change the election.
     
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    We need new laws, policies and procedures.

    Nobody should be allowed to refuse to testify if it's an investigation on their official position with a government agency.

    It's asinine all these people worked together in an attempt to overthrow our government and think they can just say "No, I don't want to talk about it?" That's outrageous.

    We also need more definitive protections in our Whistleblower laws. It's a damn shame how many people did sound any alarms about what was clearly an unstable, traitorous lunatic with access to our nuclear codes. /smdh
     
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    Of course more security at the Capital on January 6 would most likely have prevented this but...
     
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    The government was never attacked, the 3 hour delay never put the results of the election in question. The riot was, is and always will be a riot. No matter how many clutch their pearls, those of us with this opinion will never change it.
     
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    IMO, it's quite telling and (hypocritical) that leading members of the 01/06 committee have never put forth bills to ensure democracy in future elections but have, instead, made a concentrated effort to punish those who thought the first and only pandemic rules election wasn't free and fair.

    Why are all the crazies in the house, for example, blurting out about democracy when they don't care about democracy at all?
     
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    The pandemic was a massive boon for Democrats and corrupting voting laws and processes. The guy nobody wants to listen to and can barely manage to fill a room full of people, and has had terrible approval ratings also got the most votes in history? Something doesn’t add up:)
     
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    At least, there should be an investigation into the results of the 2020, right? I mean, all those congresscritters who blurt out about democracy mean they care about democracy, right?:roll:
     
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    Then why did all these people plead tge 5th?

    H Clinton gave evidence for hours and didn’t plead the 5th. What are these people hiding.

    Oh yeah - they are genuinely concerned about having broken the law to keep trump in power.
     
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    I think 2020 is just too long passed due. The laws just have to reverted back stopping massive amounts of early voting as well as boxes of votes just appearing out of thin air being counted for weeks afterwards.

    Voting needs to be mostly done and done on the day. Obviously exceptions for military and those unable to care for themselves need to be supported. But if you’re able bodied you need to do it in person with ID over a short multi-day period. Somehow we were all able to do this for decades. But now we’re also too busy? BS. IF YOU CARE you take the time to vote. If you can’t make the time, since it’s illegal for anyone to prevent you from voting, you don’t deserve to vote.

    And ANYONE claiming proving who you are to vote is HARD, hates this country and is a corrupt SOB. Simple as that.
     
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    It’s almost like the removed president and his base were so toxic that the entire nation turned against them.

    I tried to warn trumpatriots that screaming f*** your feelings for four years, ignoring polling and adopting trolling as a means of communication wasn’t going to work out to be a successful political strategy.

    I think they have successfully turned and entire generation against them. Future elections (except probably 2024) are going to be a show.
     
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    Voting that is done way before or way after voting day can't be authenticated before being placed into the ballot box. Once in the ballot box, all heck breaks loose if some votes aren't counted. What early voting and late voting does is ensure free elections but doesn't in the least ensure fair elections.
     
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    Sure. Why not just get rid of the Constitution while you're tossing away Constitutional rights? It amazes me how those who claim to love democracy are quick to want to get rid of rights enshrined in the contract of that democracy. SMH!
     
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    Not exactly. Hey I don’t support Trumps style of rhetoric. But when the vast majority of people voting “against” him think he did a bunch of things or said a bunch of things he didn’t, that is a lot of control. When Democrats blame Trump for Covid being “allowed” in this country, that’s a bunch of ****. When they blamed people dying on him, but not on Biden that’s ****. When they blamed loss of jobs on him while the entire world is imploding, that’s ****. When they claimed he said drinking bleach would cure Covid, that’s ****. It was CORRUPTION of the MSM and our voting laws that allowed Biden to win.

    Without Covid, Trump would have rolled through Biden. You know it. Everyone knows it. The economy was too good. Our involvement in wars was declining. Our border was getting better. Countries were having to actually contribute. We were still spending like morons but the mainstays were solid. Democrats had zero to run on besides Trump being a dick. And being a dick isn’t too bad when everything is going pretty well. All that blew up in 2020 and Dems and the MSM pounced like gleeful jackals. :)
     
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    And it should be illegal for certain politicians to be able to hide evidence such as emails and videos by claiming "sovereign immunity"!
     
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    To this day, they still say that Trump told people to ingest bleach which he emphatically didn't.
     
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    trump has a communication problem, he has frequently been placed around a middle schooler in terms of word choice and syntax. People blame him for COVID because he said it wasn’t a big deal and that it would blow over. He turned it into a political issue and not a health issue while simultaneously telling his inner circle how severe it was.

    To the bleach thing he absolutely didn’t say the word bleach, he said injecting disinfectant — which goes back to his poor communication ability. He later said he was being “sarcastic”.

    Job numbers will always be the fault of the president. Just like gas prices — y’all are currently doing this to Biden. Your media is doing just like liberal media does.

    He was already polling upside down pre-COVID and manufacturing was showing signs of a recession in that sector. You can say he would have definitely won had he not had to face an emergency but the numbers don’t support that. Also, that is one of the main tests of a president is how they respond in a crisis. He failed

    He had pushed the fed to engage in massive QE and monetary injections to prop up his pitiful GDP growth

    Not really, he negotiated a half assed pull out with a terrorist organization and bypassed the local government. Iran nuke deal was another failure.

    I do like that he forced other countries to start funding NATO more however.

    The border maybe and only in a few areas but the vast majority of illegal immigration was being ignored. No penalties against employers, no actual solutions — only a wall that was awarded to people that had ties yo him that is already failing.

    That you simply ignore the facts doesn’t make it true. There was a lot he failed at. Trade wars, scandals, revolving door of criminals, attempts to dismantle agencies from the inside, profiteering, not to mention what he did to trust in government and general decorum. Him repeating that the only good democrat is a dead one and that not even being acknowledged by many of you (and cheered by some) made us realize this is no longer a country of competing ideas — it’s a war between two enemies, one side just didn’t realize it yet.

    If anything positive came from that administration is that liberals and moderates finally saw how much Republicans hated the rest of the nation and just how far y’all would go to seize power.

    So be it
     
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    It is a legal nothingburger because the case was all fabricated for political purposes.
     
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    Then why were they so scared that they all pleaded the 5th?
     
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    But he didn’t lie about Covid. He said what the doctors said. Fauci “lied” just as much if you want to call not knowing as lying. Then again, Fauci knew exactly what was going on and lied anyway…masks hello?? What Trump said was actually far more accurate than the world ending like Democrats said. Desantis practiced what worked and proved just how wrong Democrat leaders were. Trump didn’t fail at the emergency. The MSM made people like YOU think he did. Biden “failed” with Covid more than Trump. And he certainly lied too. Lying about the vaccines and when they existed?? You probably forgot and don’t even know. :)

    Same with making countries finally pay their fair share. Pulling out of useless organizations is a WIN. PROVEN actually since in the 4 years, our progress on environmental issues still leads the world.

    And the “scandals” were AGAIN manufactured. Fool on YOU. There’s a reason CNN had to fire everyone..fake news remember. Now barely a news organization anymore.

    And profiteering ?? Hehe. Trumps assets DECLINED. Profiteering is the Clintons, the Obamas the Bidens. There is so much projection it’s hilarious.

    And Trump before Covid polled better than Biden and that was with an entire MSM against him. And of course Twitter and the lies. Biden has the MSM in his pocket. The fact Biden is polling this bad but the only way to know anything is wrong is if you watch FOX or alternative news, is astounding. Imagine if the MSN was fair?? Oh that’s right he wouldn’t be POTUS anymore because he’d be impeached for mental issues. They impeached Trump on total lies. It’s all a joke and you know it but you’re too programmed to type it.
     
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    A person is hauled into a kangaroo court which has already pre-decided the outcome of everything and will edit, delete, and twist your testimony to their advantage in order to convict you in their kangaroo trial. So, the best thing to do is to say nothing so that they cannot edit, delete, or twist your testimony to use against you.
     
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    If they could edit your testimony at will, without anyone realizing it, then why would they care if the witnesses pled the 5th? They could just insert whatever testimony they wanted and the only person (by your logic) who would know or be able to say anything would be the testifier, who nobody would theoretically believe.
     
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    He absolutely did. There are audio recordings

    False

    He absolutely failed. US response and death rate was some of the worst in the developed world. That is simply fact.

    I agree with this

    The number of people that were charged within his administration, left or had to resign are unheard of in a modern presidency.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/all...-officials-to-face-federal-charges-2021-7?amp

    His tax returns say otherwise.

    You realize that FOX is the MSM, right? The largest one by a significant margin.

    So what you are saying doesn’t really match up with reality. trump was impeached with a bipartisan commission of both republicans and democrats. Twice
    The only reason he wasn’t convicted on the second one is because they held the vote until he was no longer in office.

    Maybe you should try some independent news sources instead of your “alternative” ones. Read some foreign news occasionally. Expand your horizons from propaganda to truth.
     
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    In addition, many of these "very fine people" also requested PARDONs. I guess it was just for a keepsake?
     
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    That is exactly what happened. Testimony was edited, deleted, and twisted to further their kangaroo court. That's why they refused to let Trump testify live on TV where they couldn't edit, delete, and twist what he said. Most all of that testimony was behind closed doors and then the committee released only the parts they edited for release.
     
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