Florida could shield whites from ‘discomfort’ of racist past

Do you find that there are many of you out there?

 

Well...The majority of adults in my family I would say. My close friends as well. The two are not mutually exclusive. Why would they be?

My values on abortion, immigrations, personal freedoms, the second amendment, free market enterprise/capitalism, personal responsibility, tree others as you want to be treated...all align with conservative values. In the case of abortion, I come at it from a pure scientific/reality as to what the hell is going on and arrive at the same conclusion...it's morally wrong.

 

Like terrorists? You mean teachers are rounding up parents and locking them up? Is this a new pseudo-conservative talking point?

If that justifies Orwellian / Marxist BS for you, then so be it.

 

You just described CRT. Marxist is defined as grouping people based on class, but with CRT it's by race.

 

I described the pseudo-conservative push for State mandated censorship, spy-cameras and hatred for educators.

In other words I described your view, - the Marxist view.

 

You said the word "marxist" which is a theory based on dividing people into groups. The ruling class and the bourgeoisie. CRT uses the same framework but instead divides people into groups based on race the oppressor and the victims.

Maybe you just used the wrong word and inadvertently tripped yourself up.

lol

 

Yes, nations ran under Marxist / communist systems did exactly what you are proposing. They even had neighbors spying on each other, which of course is part of DeSantis approach as well, and the introduction of spy-cameras is the same thing using newer technology.

No, it is the correct word to describe your view. You have been tricked into supporting Marxist / Orwellian BS and you don't even know it.

 

By opposing a marxist/orwellian idea such as CRT?

Perhaps you need to break down your train of thought here. Have you even read 1984? lol

 

No I meant what I said. If you don't get it, then you don't get it

Yes, its about the kind of Big Brother society pseudo-conservatives such as yourself are pushing for while trying to conceal their Marxism with 'newspeak' and projection. You are becoming the "Ministry Of Truth", which is tasked to alter historical records to fit the needs of the Party, while accusing educators if "thought crime".

Poor Winton had to conceal his relation ship with his girlfriend a secret due to Party surveillance (cameras anyone?).

Yes, - its about people like you.

 

Actually putting cameras in classrooms gives power to the people to monitor what the government is doing to their children. It is the same idea as putting cameras on cops, exactly the same.

 

Cops kill about 1000 people per year and deaths need to be investigated. As for classrooms, it would be same if 1000 kids died in hands of teachers every year, but that's not happening, - you want to spy on teachers in case a kid feels uncomfortable because of something he/she hears.

No matter how hard you try, you couldn't create a law any more woke and snowflake than that.

What happened to you guys?

 

Cops dill bodies. Teachers kill souls. The people have a right to know how teachers are indoctrinating their children.. It is not Orwellian to expose what our government is doing. It is very democratic.

I invite you to argue why the government should be entitled to operate in secrecy without using silly buzzwords.

 

Do you shop at Wal-Mart? Target? Sam's Club? Fred Meyer? Pretty much anywhere save (maybe) your very local farmers market? Then you, and all of their employees, are under constant video surveillance. I'm talking about cameras so technologically advanced that they can literally zoom in on your phone and read whatever is on the screen from a camera you don't even know is there. How about traffic cams? Drive down the street in your neighborhood with all the Ring cams and other security cameras? Been in a convenience store?

For that matter, have you even left your house even once in the past decade or so? Including work!

They're watching you. Literally. Everywhere you go, pert near.

It's not Orwellian to expect teachers with a room full of other people's kids to be monitored. It's common bloody sense. And if it were Marxist, it would be the teachers themselves suggesting it (they're not, of course, because they're all about the Benjamins), because of all the groups in America today, other than actual card-carrying Marxist Party members, they're likely the biggest group of them.

 

Are you a secular conservative?

 

Which he did last year, which I already stated in my last reply: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...of-racist-past.596233/page-32#post-1073261671

Promise fulfilled after last year's bill.

Is Florida attempting to prevent history education from making students feel "uncomfortable?"

He probably said something along the lines of what is in this bill:

"An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race." https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/PDF

Misleading how exactly?

 

Your mention did not generate an alert for me. However, I located the post with your mention, and I can see that you edited it three minutes after you posted it, and I'm guessing that it was in that edit that you added the mention. Be advised, that mentions will only work if they are added when a post is created, not in a subsequent edit. The same goes for quoting a post in an edit - that will not generate a reply alert to the member whose post you quoted.

Do you mean that it's not in any of the curriculum?

 

"Delicate feelings." It seems that you are saying that in a scenario where white children are being blamed for slavery and discrimination and it hurts their feelings, then it must mean that they have "delicate" feelings. Otherwise why did you throw in the word "delicate" to describe hurt feelings in such a scenario?

 

How do you know that the law is in response to white people claiming that schools blame white children for things like slavery and racial discrimination?

 

Oh, they are "from the bill" are they? Look, it's VERY simple: You have not quoted ONE LITTLE BIT from the bill which prohibits making people feel uncomfortable, or blaming them for slavery. If you knew of something then you would have already quoted it!

 

I don't know, Chris. Do you, and are you just keeping it to yourself?

You stated that, but you didn't include any information, about the ban.
Instead, you posted a non-binding resolution. So, once again, do you know something that you're not sharing, with the group?

 

My question was: "Is Florida attempting to prevent history education from making students feel "uncomfortable?""

Your answer is: "Do you?"

I assume that you now see how that reply makes no sense. Unless you are actually asking me if I am attempting to prevent history education from making students feel uncomfortable.

https://apnews.com/article/florida-...cs-education-74d0af6c52c0009ec3fa3ee9955b0a8d

 

Thanks for the info! It's good to know.

No, that does not look like, what I'd heard, which had been in plainer, less bureaucratic-sounding, speech.
But, as I had said, the meaning was clear, to the base, to whom he was speaking: no CRT!
Even though that is a vastly distorted idea, which that base has.

Actual lessons from the college-level, CRT classes? Yeah, I'm pretty sure, none of that, exactly, is in the primary-grades' curriculum. Wouldn't you assume the same?

By that, I am not saying that there aren't gradeschool lessons that do not come out of college CRT. I would not assume, however, that this applies to all anti-prejudice lessons. So:
1) Neither of us, I don't think, have a comprehensive enough of an understanding of the actual CRT curriculum, to even make an overall judgement of it; but
2) CRT-inspired material, is not the same thing, as CRT, itself, anyway; and
3) we have no idea (again-- unless you've been holding back) how much other material-- beyond the dyed in the wool CRT ideology-- such as simply teaching about historical incidents that have long stayed buried, because of just these same objections, as we now are seeing, is included in the anti-racism, education lessons.

Do you disagree with any of those things, or want to add more of your own knowledge, to the discussion? Because, as it is now, I don't feel that just about any of those talking about this, have sufficient information, to make the overall appraisals, which are being issued left & right-- from both sides of the debate.

Therefore, I would limit myself, going forward, to focus on specific items being taught, or proposed to be taught, as opposed to the overall curriculum, other than to say, what I did at the beginning, that racism & prejudice are clearly human problems, that are unfair to individuals and hurtful to society, which should be thoroughly addressed, in schools, to try to lesson the formation of these ignorant hatreds & biases. That said, no group should be represented as being more naturally racist, or evil, than other racial groups; and being born with a particular color skin, does not make one any less worthy, or capable of good things, nor any more culpable, blameworthy, or suspect-- which goes just as much for the person born black, as for the one born white.

 

I don't know. It's not a term I'm familiar with, though it's meaning is clear from the language, however, I've always said I'm more conservative than I am liberal, and I'm more libertarian than I am conservative, so in many ways I'm politically homeless.

With regards to religion though, I'm not a fan, AT ALL, especially when it comes to so-called Western Religions. When I hear people who believe in talking snakes, global floods that never happened (indeed, COULDN'T happen), and so forth, I can't help but question their sanity at least to a little bit. I consider all organized religions, save MAYBE Buddhism and Hinduism to be cults, and to be correct only in the way a broken clock is correct.

But I have an advantage when I say all that. I'm one of the few humans you'll find that's died, seen the other side, and returned. My memories are in no way complete, though over time I am remembering more. But let's just say if you are a member of a Western, specifically Abrahamic faith, you're in for a big surprise when you get to where I was. No talk of judgement, or punishment, though some things from this life (and other past lives... yes, reincarnation is a thing) might come up for discussion. The short time I was there seemed more like a primer of some sort, where "how things really work" was being explained. I just wish I could remember more. Maybe eventually.

 

If you know the answer to this question, I would prefer you just say so, rather than make me type out these simplistic answers.

As far as I understand, Florida is against the teaching of ANYTHING that would make "students (read, white students)" feel uncomfortable. I think that, naturally-- in fact, especially-- would include history classes, OK?

Of course, you are the one who has finally seemed to provide a link to the relevant legislation, which you have known about, this entire time, so it seems like it should be me who is asking you these sorts of questions.

Did you read through the law? Can you sum it up, in your own words?

 

The words I quoted are from the bill. Get over yourself.