Forum becoming more right-wing?

I wasn't singling anyone out with my comment. I just know, having parents that were deeply religious, that religion is a very ingrained part of a person's identity. It's not like being a member of the jelly of the month club. It is cultural. Would someone make fun of or mock, another person's culture that may be different from your own?

Yes, a part of the Christian belief is having a negative view of homosexuality...it is regarded as a sin. Remember though...

We are ALL sinners in the eyes of God.

ALL of us, hence the need for salvation.

If someone accuses you of being a sinner, simply say...Welcome to the club.

 

Disagreeing with gay activists and the re-definition of marriage is not anti-gay. Disagreeing with a lefty typically attracts the lefty harpies chanting their slurs of 'homophobic.' Moreover, a man who disagrees with a radical feminist is labeled a 'mysogynist.' Those who disagree with global warming are called 'deniers.' Liberals denigrate Christianity and believers constantly. Anyone who questions Obama is often called a 'racist.' There are plenty more examples I could give.

In the liberal world, anyone who disagrees with their POV is 'anti' (whatever the subject is).

 

Ummm...that would be kind of mocking, no?

 

Not if you (general term) are the club prez.

 

Saying that same sex couples do not deserve to be treated equally under marriage law for no good reason is definitely anti-gay. I don't know how you can spin that it's not.

What are you going to say next? That disagreeing with pro-choice activists is not anti-abortion?

 

Haha! Nice one.

 

No one I know believes in Mother Goose. Who do you know that does?

 

Ok, you want to know the proper response so as not to appear condescending. Here you go.

Matthew 7:3
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

A little scripture should silence them, for who here is without sin?

We should all be introspective about cleaning our own house, before pointing out how messy someone elses is. That's not mocking, this is what a Christian is called to do. We are called to reject sin, but it starts by taking it to heart in our own lives before going around pointing it out in others.

 

I've tried that on this forum. Doesn't usually work too well. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" doesn't have much of an effect either. And forget about the Golden Rule.

 

It's not anti-gay to support marriage as being between a man and a woman exclusively. 'Pro-choice' is a misnomer better they be called pro-aborts and anti-life. Pro-lifers are not monolithic, a lot of them are not against abortion if a woman's life is truly in danger but ANY utterance against abortion is labeled anti-abortion.

 

Proclaimng you're a Christian, does not make you a Christian.

I am not saying Christianity should whole heartedly embrace gay marriage or it's hypocritical...Christianity looks upon the behavior as sinful. I won't mince words, that's a core part of the faith.

There are going to be some people who do not accept you, as a man...marrying another man. I can't think of an analogy...ok, I eat chicken and beef, to a vegetarian I'm a bad person. I'm not going to change this person's mind that I'm a good person by eating chicken and beef. I have to accept the fact, they don't like my behavior.

There is always going to be an element in our society that does not accept two males or two females getting married...however from a legal perspective your side won the war. Be happy with that.

 

tells you a lot about the right wing state of ''mind''

 

Yes, it is indeed. Especially when you have no good reason for legally doing so.

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I don't care if someone does not like my "behavior". I can't do anything about that. But come for my rights- forfeit my courtesy.

If a vegetarian was actively working to make eating chicken or beef illegal, I bet you'd have something to say- and you would not care if they thought you were a good person.

 

Remember though my friend.

We have a right in America to freely practice a religion. I accept you are not a Christian and do not follow the tenets of the faith that I do as a Catholic.

As it is your legal right to now marry a man...as a man, and that a woman can marry a woman. Under the eyes of the law your marriage is equivalent to a man marrying a woman.

I accept this.

Spiritually, I do not accept this. I don't celebrate it in other words.

We should reach a compromise perhaps. If I discriminte against you in business, you can go after me legally, but in spiritual matters you should accept the fact practicing a religion is a protected right.

I accept that you marrying a man, that you as a homosexual, should not be discriminated against for this from a legal perspective. Should I be discriminated against for practicing a faith, a faith that does not condone homosexual behavior? It's protected by the 1st Amendment. Legally I can practice a faith an you can legally marry a man.

That doesn't mean I hate you or anything beyond what it is. We're conversing aren't we? Do I think I'm free of sin because I think homosexual behavior is a sin? Of course not.

Your side won the legal battle, I have no animosity on that issue. It's done. You have a right to marry a man, I have a right to go to Mass on Sunday. I don't expect you to embrace the fact I go to Mass, or to celebrate it,...why should you expect me to celebrate your same sex marriage. I recognize it as legal. This is what matters really.

 

If anything is worth mocking, it is the effect religion has on people. If you are religious, I don't respect your beliefs. In fact, I feel terrible that another mind that could have been productive has given in to fear and gone to waste.

 

Herk, I don't care what you think of me. There is nothing I can do about that. I don't know how to be more clear. All I care about is how I am treated under the law. I NEVER asked you or anyone to celebrate anything.

I think we have said exactly the same thing. This seems to be a difficult concept for people to understand.

 

Still whining about the mods I see, another TOS violation, cannot help yourself I see.
In the long run you will care when you are looking in from the outside.

 

And i am an agnostic who usually disagrees with herk
But am in full agreement on this issue

I do not want to be denigrated.... As some seem incluned to do.,.. For my view
And also i find it tedious and disrespectful to encounter people who feel it is their duty to save me

But i completely acknowledge the right of people to have religious faith
And to publicly acknowledge their faith
And i know many wonderful people of faith
Whose faith has been a blessing in their life
And that religion has often had a positive impact on the world

And i strongly agree with herk that it is rude and inappropriate to denigrate the faith of people who have not wronged you

Ardy

 

Were they banned? I've also noticed the place is leaning very much to the right these days now that you mention it, but then it's also normal for extremists to crowd out moderates. Part of the human condition, in a way.

 

Oh a let's say bad things about people thread......excellent.

1) Moderators suck. I am hungry and there isn't a single one of them in my house to make me a grilled cheese and tomato soup dinner.

2) You folks know that you really do not need to respond to every post directed at you don't ya? It isn't like there is a partisan MVP award you can win or anything. Sometimes it is fun to draw people out just to illustrate whatever it is you find wrong in their post for fun, but as often as not, sometimes it is just better to walk away......

3) Still no grilled cheese. What's up with that. I would even take one cut across and not on the diagonal at this point.

4) So what conservatives have come out of the woodwork supporting Donald Trump. I find them to be truly reflective of my opinion of their candidate. It isn't like we do not have our share of bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy democrats here too.

5) Gays and Christians are fighting it out to see who is the new black, the cultural Israel, the whatever symbol of oppressed people. Neither will win.

6) Crap still no service. I guess I need to go make my own dinner. Gee, thanks Obama.

 

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