Fundamental Need of Christianity to Counter Islam

This is not going to argue the truth or validity of the belief structure of Christianity rather the need for it to be strong to defend Western Civilization from the aggressive and momentum forwarding Islamic religion into the West.

I want to remind people here that Islam has been hammering the West since its early years sometimes with peaceful expansion and assimilation such as they did throughout much of the Middle East and Africa with force of arms used when that failed. And the many battles bordering and into Europe including Spain, Italy, Venice and through Romania and into Russia and always checked by equally aggressive Christianity this aggression not always in combat but diplomatic and trade. Jerusalem before the fall to Saladin was ruled well and even the Islamic forces leaders saw the King as a largely just ruler but it was the fanaticism to hold that that redirected armies from the West to Jerusalem. Constantinople was also a bulwark for some time until it fell but for a good length of time was a shield.

Now the immigration allowed into the West has been the modern Jihad largely peaceful and due to many factors including a weakening of Christian belief and its values left the gates open. Noting nothing bad about the Islamic people they just have strong religious motivation, tend to support Sharia Law and use the exemptions Orthodox Jews have to minister laws among their people in some nations as precedent and are frankly not assimilating and are making large families compared to anemic if any growth in the new nation they go to. The motivation and momentum Christianity depended on and the foundation of values that this brought including making babies, looking at Islam as a threat to Christianity and communal sharing of values is no longer there.

Not saying Atheism is to blame here it isn't helping but a devolving of belief and Christian and Jewish centering no longer there in the mass of the population and shared morality isn't a good thing. Its first of all making us too tolerant perhaps to forces which will literally want to eliminate many of the freedoms we have do you think in Germany if the Muslims become a large force in politics they won't use that to move their agenda, the same in other nations or here.

Other countering forces is the State and a core system of values which is what China has the government allowing religion but keeping strict oversight and a history of using force to keep it under control, USSR the same thing and even now its offering some protection but the Russian Orthodox Church is back and creating a solid defense from incursion of rival religious ideology.

So my start of a debate is religion in some form in the West necessary this could be putting the State as the focus and invested with power or religious institutions backing the governments, to hold back Islam, which could overtake nations more now than at any point in Western History.

 

Have you forgotten the hundreds of years of Christianities conquest, expansion, colonialism and exploitation? Have your forgotten the European slave trade?

 

Have you forgotten the 1400 hundred of years of Muslim conquest, expansion, colonialism and exploitation? Have your forgotten the Arab, Muslim, slave trade?

 

No that's my point exactly both sides had momentum and passion and drive and if a population that supported this from faith and Atheism is anemic it cannot counter the sheer faith and passion of a Muslim movement unless its replaced by an added force China uses the State and suppresses all religion as destabilizing as does Singapore but far more nice about it with a ban on public promoting of faith and favoring gentler ones like Buddhism. But are Atheists in the West willing to just ban religion and use political force if needed I don't see that as likely especially in the USA the First Amendment works both ways.

 

This is an excellent video and recommend it to all.

 

If you are talking about ISIS and Al Qaeda, you'd be right... and they are hated by Muslims worldwide.

 

That guy is really ignorant and very good at hatred.

 

That guy is a highly educated scientist, and teacher, seems you are the one who is ignorant.

Learn something about Islam, and you will hate it too.
Unless you're a psychopath.

 

Every branch of Islam has their own version of ISIS and Al Qaeda.
And yes, the others hate them also.

 

And what about the moderates I know several college educated, one in the US Army and people in common work of both genders and all want Sharia Law to at least apply to them over all national and local laws and it seems to me they would love to place it into the normal laws of the USA in parts. Germany with a rapid immigration of the same kind of Muslims seem to be putting a bomb in the system of higher birth rates and in time them taking political inroads. War for Islam isn't just fighting they did far more by diplomacy, trade, charity to the needy and immigration moving populations than they ever did by force of arms in the modern age. The only counter is something as powerful and arguable more free than Islam that used to be Christianity and Judaism as its cousin but now both are under internal threat due to outside forces. The fact is unchecked Islam will become more and more of a societal threat. Women in some countries with immigration seem to be in danger for dressing the wrong way or being unescorted by a man, in Western democracies, now that is criminal behavior and such but what if they take power in fifty years enough to mandate a dress code into law and punishments.

Now can secularism work of course but not by measures we can do if we just suppress all religion as an undesirable element and use State (government) force we can curtail it but what is the odds of that happening in most cases the United States can't do that and other nations seem to not care.

 

Lol, Margot IS a Muslim. Surprise-surprise.

 

I know.

That's why I suggested he learn something about the religion.

 

She.

 

OOOps

Well, "She" needs to learn about the religion. And not from the Imans, clerics, Peers, Qur'an, etc.
You will get their version, and all the sects are killing each other.

Learn from the books, then you can sort out the sects.

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

 

This is why I support a strong separation of church and state. Keep religion out of politics, schools and science and we can never have Sharia law (or Hebrew law or Christian law) be the law of the land.

 

I am a she but I am Episcopalian.. not Muslim. I did live in the ME for a couple of decades and have not only studied, but observed and discussed Islam with Muslims.

 

The places where Sharia law is accepted by US courts do so only with the consent of both parties and the understanding that the US constitution fully applies.

You're getting worked up for the wrong reasons.

Assad is not bad because he's Muslim. He's bad because he is a murderous dictator.

ISIS and AQ do NOT represent Islam, nor do they represent ANY country. EVERY country views them as a pernicious problem.

Every nation in the world opposes Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and sees that as a very serious problem.

Let's get back to discussing the actual problems.

 

I'd wager your Muslim friends are putting you on.

 

Sharia law in Europe and the US is strictly voluntary arbitrage between Muslims on civil matters. Its no more a threat than the Rabbinical councils have been for 250 years.

We have a lot of keyboard experts on Islam who basically promote fear, ignorance and hatred.

 

I apologize for misrepresenting your sex, and do not mean to be sarcastic or demeaning.

What I have noticed about Islam, is I can speak with a Sunni, a Shia, or any one of a number of sects and get different answers.
The people I speak with who are scholars are the most fun.

Islam has a systematic way of lying to the Kaffir, and even to themselves.

It must be said in Arabic to understand...Bullsh-t.

It needs the correct interpretation.. Total fail.
It needs the sunnah to understand the Qur'an,
And the sunnah is written very plainly.

It must be said in context,
I love this one, because I put each statement into the correct context.
The order said, The correct place in the chronology, the audience spoken to.
This floors them, because by now, they know I can counter any BS.

From here it is usually a fu-k you, and they block me.

 

Then explain the issues in Europe nations taking in Islamic immigrants such as Switzerland is having issues with many assimilating, others have rise in ghettoizing of them into areas where they feel free to harass people for not dressing right or worse and only Poland was smart enough to ban entry. And what happens when they can and will execute political power the ballot box is a fine weapon you can take over and set policies now will they go all Saudi Arabia on everyone no but they could pass changes to recognize Sharia Law among Muslims and not the established one with some changes. You don't think this can happen Hitler rose to power via the ballot box and all you need is enough people to vote to damage things say if 55% of a nation is Muslin in say a century. The crazy mad suicide bombers and killers divert us from the real threat of peaceful invasion and the higher birth rates of the Muslim population even in the West most of them have pretty good size families.

 

Sounds like one God needs to duke it out with another God fer the planet, frickin' loons.

 

Sharia is working it's way in some European countries, so far in family matters, however being a democracy when the voting block of muslims raises to a majority, it will enter into a lot more.

Actually when that happens I believe there will be civil war.

 

You obviously had some kind of protection, a husband, or political position, or any one or more forms of protection.
You did not just wander the streets, and deserts, as a kaffir woman.
You are a target for rape and murder.