gender pay gap disproved about 30+ years ago

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  1. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I suppose being paid more for being viewed as cultural subordinate objects is ok with some people.
     
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    Sorry you are quite wrong.

    When all personal choices are taken into account the gap disappears.

    This has long since been proven beyond refutation.

    The deniers are the complete fools who repeat the proven myth of a pay gap.

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    Models and.porn performers are not culturally subordinate.
     
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    I thought that was because men are likelier to work overtime while most working moms go home to attend to the kids (???). Dunno for sure.


    However, one thing that may disprove this pay gap is the fact that about 40% of men under 35 live with their moms because they are unemployed or under employed. Others live with their girl friends and sleep on their couches or live with other relatives so that the number of dependent men is actually higher. Meantime the majority of women in this age group are fully employed and are home owners.

    If there is a pay gap as alleged by many, how do you account for why so many men under 35 are dependents living with their moms, while women are independent home owners?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Suggest you read the report, it is from another poster who also, like you denies there is still a wage-gap even after personal choices are taken into consideration.

    Really, they are objectified
     
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    I did and sorry but the facts are in.

    The wage gap is not being denied. It does not exist.

    That is fact proven beyond refutation. It is those invoking and claiming the wave gap exists who are in absolute and complete denial of reality.

    If a wage gap existed you could point to an occupation where men working side by side with women doing the same job with the same background get paid more because they are men.

    No such job exists.

    You cannot prove objectification either.
     
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    Interestingly, there was a news conference on the so called gap conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute which had been sponsored by Republican Senator Deb Fischer. You would have thought that they as conservatives would have denied the so called pay gap. But they did not and actually affirmed that it exists. However, two of the panelists acknowledged that there are FAR more men in today's generation that are living with their mothers due to economic dependency while college educated women earn just as much as their male counterparts. See if you can find it in youtube where the conference was broadcasted live.
     
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    Some would say it is actually empowering for women to be "cultural subordinate objects".
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Obviously you didn't read it very well then.

    In this study, an attempt has been made to use data from a large cross-sectional database, the Outgoing Rotation Group files of the 2007 CPS, to construct variables that satisfactorily characterize factors whose effects have previously been estimated only using longitudinal data, so that reliable estimates of those effects can be derived in an analysis of the cross-sectional data. Specifically, variables have been developed to represent career interruption among workers with specific gender, age, and number of children. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. - Page 35 - http://commons.wikimannia.org/File:Gender_Wage_Gap_Final_Report_2009.pdf

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    I suppose there are some that see being viewed as a sexual object or a clothes horse as empowering.
     
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    Yes manipulating numbers as they deliberately did can produce any desired result particularly when one starts with a pre determined notion and is looking for evidence to support it which the report clearly stated it did. As opposed to letting the evidence lead one to a conclusion.

    Now can you name the occupation I asked for?
     
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    It doesn't state anywhere that the 4.8 to 7.1 percent gap is the result of discrimination.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    LOL, easy to dismiss something with conspiracy theories when you can't refute the actual report.

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    Neither does it say it isn't
     
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    I did refute the report and so did you.

    There is no pay gap period or you could provide the specific example I asked for repeatedly.

    Until you do so the issue is settled and the pay gap is proven myth.
     
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    Where did you refute the report, you mean your conspiracy theory for which you have given not one single piece of evidence to support? Please show where that report states that the pay gap is not due to discrimination, you no more can do that than I can show it says it is down to discrimination ergo there is a gap that, at the moment, cannot be accounted for and could be down to discrimination or not, until the reason(s) for that gap is established then neither you or I can say with any degree of certainty what causes it.

    http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap
     
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    I stated no conspiracy theory I pointed out the flaws in the report.

    When all personal Choices are taken into account the so called gap disappears.
     
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    Your conspiracy theory was as follows -

    Please show where numbers have been deliberately manipulated to produce a desired result in the report cited, and your evidence to that manipulation.

    The report takes into consideration personal choices and the pay gap does not disappear entirely.
     

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