Global Warming: The BIGGEST LIE Exposed

America came bloody close to losing significant parts of the country through desertification

 

You are joking.

 

I dunno but it seems reading comprehension is an issue for denialists





Just because it is not happening in America does not mean it is not happening

And that it has not happened in the past

 

And here we see you misreading your own pretty pictures... Let us look

appears to be a graph of how poor farming methods are causing land degradation, NOT desertification. Oh just in case you did not know

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Degradation
Yep I must say, comprehension DOES seem to be an issue here and it not the person you attacked who seems to have it.

Yep, looking to how many people are indirectly affected and directly effected sure does support that premise that MAN is causing all the deserts on the planet.

Yep I must say, those pretty pictures PLUCKED absently minded from a site with the words DESERT in them MUST mean your right…

No wonder we have such gullible people about… They go onto a site and because the headline is what they believe agrees with them, they think everything in it MUST also…

 

In your zeal to attack, you have obscured your point. Are you trying to say that proper land management is useless, because desertification is going to happen regardless? I was under the impression that there is a causal relationship of some sort here, and degrading the land facilitates desertification, while managing it properly impedes desertification. Is this incorrect?

 

Actually, I am saying the pretty pictures DON'T represent anything of the claim. THE fact is degradation is different to desertification, BUT as poor farming practice has led to degradation of land it has not necessarily turned to desert.

There are many areas in Australia that have been poorly farmed, depredating the land. Newer farming methods and some initiative from farmers (not governments) have turned plenty of land around. This has been caused of couple hundred years in areas. Turned around in a few decades.

BUT, Australia consists of desert for majority of the land, which was desert before the any farming practices came about. Maybe the poster thinks the indigenous people were farming about 40,000 years ago and turned it to desert and decided to stop and forgot how(sarcasm). So natural forces are to blame for a considerable amount of desert in Australia, NOT man as the poster would have you believe.

There is and there isn't, as you would see from the previous part. BUT most of the degradation of land has occurred in decent country and NOT arid land. Fact is Australia has had lower percentage of useable land since man arrived. No all the unusable or arid land is actually desert. Management of land CAN impede desertification BUT Australia is considerably different to many areas. While much land has low average rain fall it is not all desert. While farming has degraded the land rain fall actually remains TOO high to turn to desert. However, this degradation of the land tends not to grow any food plant or any production without proper conditioning to bring the soil back to a reasonable loam. Salt saturation of the soil also only allows for certain plants to grow. BUT has been shown to be able to bring back.

BUT, all this has nothing to do with the point. The point remains, people who want to think they have some idea posting pretty pictures which don't even represent what they claim are not showing what they think. I would rather REAL information from REAL sources that actually support the claims.

 

I think I'm with you. Degradation is certainly not the same thing as desertification, but it can be a contributing factor in certain circumstances.

When Americans first started settling Arizona, the area got no more rainfall than it does now, which is very little. But there were steady streams, native grasses, frogs, etc. What the settlers did was release about 10 times more cattle than the land could support, which promptly ate everything that didn't actually injure them. The cattlemen moved on, leaving barren ground unable to withstand the occasional rainfall, which scoured away all the soil. The environment changed a LOT. In Brazil, deforestation in the Amazon has been unexpectedly permanent, because the topsoil was only inches thick and the same erosion happened. BUT some of the clearings were so large (hundreds of miles on a side) that the rain simply stopped falling there, because no trees were driving the evaporation/precipitation cycle.

So people can make things a lot worse, and desertification can refer to ecological changes and not just precipitation rates.

 

Where trees grow rivers flow and soil is contained. A full grown oak tree evaporates 7 tons of water into the atmosphere every day.

If you don't believe man can cause deserts do a little research...or educate me ( with evidence) that man does not cause deserts because opinions mean little.

 

I fail to understand why people think they can do anything to the environment and suffer no consequences from it.

I am not an environmental whacko but land and resources have to be managed properly and no one understands that better than farmers.

In fact, family farmers are probably some of the best conservationists because they want to preserve the farm for future generations..

 

In other words, you don't know how much land mankind has managed to convert into desert using that method.

Thanks for the admission.

 

It amuses me that someone who lives in a country that's always been mostly desert, is trying to tell people about humans causing desertification.

 

I am only going to talk about this comment. During the Great Depression, government showed farmers how to farm better and gave them aid to do it. I would assume that the same thing happened in Australia. Your hate of governments will not allow you to think government can help.

 

It disgusts me that deniers usually attack the messenger.

 

Please advise me as to which messenger I was attacking, then tell me why you class me as a denier?

Is anyone who doesn't agree with you a denier?

 

By S. Fred Singer
January 21, 2014

Professor Michael Mann, the inventor of the Hockeystick temperature graph, had a contentious editorial essay in the January 17th issue of the New York Times. [The Hockeystick graph purports to show that temperatures of the last thousand years declined steadily -- until the 20th century, when there was a sudden large rise.]

I am using the word "inventor" on purpose, since the Hockeystick is a manufactured item and does not correspond to well-established historic reality. It does not show the generally beneficial Medieval Warm Period (MWP) at around 1000 AD, or the calamitous Little Ice Age (LIA) between about 1400 and 1800. In the absence of any thermometers during most of this period, the Hockeystick is based on an analysis of so-called proxy data, mostly tree rings, from before 1000 AD to 1980, where the proxy temperature suddenly stops and a rapidly rising thermometer record is joined on.

Since its publication in 1998 and 1999, the hockeystick graph has had a turbulent history. It was adopted by the IPCC (UN-Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) in its 3rd Assessment Report (2001) to support the claim of a major anthropogenic global warming (AGW) during the 20th century. Since then, the IPCC has distanced itself from the graph, which has been completely discredited. It not disagrees not only with much historic evidence that shows a MWP and LIA, but also with other analyses of proxy data. Most of the criticism has come from the work of two Canadian statisticians, Steven McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, who have uncovered a misuse of data, a biased calibration procedure, and fundamental errors in the statistical methods.

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Read more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014...global_warming_hockey_stick_doubles_down.html

Hmm..., was it an error in analysis, or a premeditated effort to misrepresent the truth? Then there's fact like warmists becoming frozen stuck in the ice flows of Antarctica's coldest years.

 

Oh! Dear! Talk about discredited sources! How many time have we to catch people like Singer out lying before people will stop using them to bolster failing arguments??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer
http://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Fred_Singer.htmThe "hockey stick" has been the subject of more repeated experiments and research than gravity and all have come to the same conclusion - the science is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

 

and what does he offer as proof to back his pov?...the 2nd graph that replicates the hockey stick ...

and notice the dishonesty of the first graph and how it exaggerates the mean temp of mwp, the complete opposite of how it represents the mean temp of the little ice age in the same graph...it clearly does not accurately reflect the mean temp data for the mwp from the 2nd graph...and blatently under represents the data for the current warming which should be higher than the MWP ...

 

Yeah, that warming... How is it up in Alberta, warm, breezy and cosy I presume? It's 3 degrees above zero here. Or how about all that ice that disappeared up north of you that is now greater than ever. Then there's those tree hugger friends of yours that got caught in the ice down under and the Greenland Ice sheet that grow more than it ever has. Please tell us all how we can change mother nature. Should we move away from the Sun, change the nature of our atmosphere? Oh, I know ask China and India to stop spewing all those gases into the air and tell those people in the Amazon to stop cutting trees and burning the land. When you get that done come back to me. Oh, did you hear, Obama and the EPA just placed a moratorium on killing Bald and Golden Eagles because all those wind turbines have more rights than endangered birds.

 

You live in New York and it is wintertime.

A three degree rise in temperature at -3 would make it 0 degrees in the winter. So...it will still get cold in the wintertime.

Just say this over and over....its winter...its winter...its winter.

 

oopsie is someone feeling embarrased 1st posting a fabrcated/fraudulent graph and then a 2nd that verifies the hockey stick....

Temps in alberta are unseasonably, warm spring weather 2 months before spring..from 0 to 8c

Ships get caught in ice flows during summer months, that's why there are icebreakers there, ships dont go to antarctic in winter when the ice flows solidify...

All that ice the north that came back? Ya that'll happen in winter...

Got any more silly questions to demonstrate how little you understand about climate change, your graphs were a hoot I always appreciate a good laugh...

 

by Cruz_West_Paul2016
‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2014

During the first week of January, we were all laughing and ridiculing "The Usual Global Warming Suspects". And yet since the first Polar Vortex, G.W. Supporters never gave up explaining on various news programs that the first record cold wave was caused by Global Warming. Now, as we all know by now, "Polar Vortex 2.0" is forecast to actually be either colder, and/or longer than the first one from week of Jan.3.So does anyone expect to hear from Al Roker, Al Gore or even "The Weather Channel"? Maybe at least once this winter someone will declare that G.W. is a hoax?

At least there are some sane fellow bloggers out there that believe weather is a natural behavior of earth and that there are many factors that cause our weather like the Sun, Moon, Earth's Rotation, Earth's internal heat and the ocean's currents, last of all man.

 

‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2014· by Yosemitest

Whatever happen to the Global Warming Alarmists, who got stuck in the ice in "Antarctica with a plan to show the world how badly alleged man-made “global warming” was wreaking havoc across the region" ? The last I heard, the United States was sending an "Ice-Breaker" to get the Russian ship out of the ice, that went to get the China "Ice-Breaker" out, that went to get the Australian "Ice-Breaker" out, that went to get the Russian-flagged ship carrying the Global Warming Alarmists to Antarctica, to sell their lies.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17277-global-warming-alarmists-stuck-in-antarctic-sea-ice

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/

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Gullible Green sailors trapped in the Arctic
http://www.cfact.org/2013/09/19/gullible-green-sailors-trapped-in-the-arctic/

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Some of the preeminent scientists involved in promoting global-warming alarmism have been disgraced and discredited, after being caught in flagrante in unethical and illegal activities. Even before the 2009 “Climategate” e-mail scandal, many leading scientists who had earlier been true believers in man-made global warming (anthropogenic global warming, or AGW) had begun jumping ship and joining the AGW skeptic side. Since then, the defections have turned into a veritable flood, making this one of the great untold stories of the major establishment media, which continue to trumpet the alarmist propaganda.

Now all talk has shifted to Global Cooling. No questions are being made by those who were touting Global Warming, or the fact that it was all a money-making conspiracy to begin with.

 

In Australia the only mentality that came for the farming community was to penalise them. Very little help was provided and few decades ago some farmers got together to work on this issue of land degradation. Several methods have been introduced but still many farming methods remain today that strip the land of its health. It is NOT that I hate Governments as they really are necessary for a nation. IT is I hate much of their actions. Thoughtless and often only short term solutions that band aid problems until next election...

In Australia most long term actions that have help the nation have not come from government. Watching a portion of land in my area took some 150 years to destroy by farming methods increasing salt deposits and so on to a point at no time in a year good or bad this land could not even grow grass enough to graze sheep upon. Ten years ago some practices of growing several plants that thrive on this sort of land which is native to Australia and good for grazing has turned this land around to good cropping and pasture land With absolutely no help from government. In fact they had some objections from government (mainly the Greens) to what they did. NOW they come and pat themselves on the back for such a good job, supporting these farmers. IT IS SICKENING.

 

[h=2]University of Victoria promotes climate alarmism[/h] University of Victoria home page raises fears of runaway greenhouse

“Runaway greenhouse easier than previously thought,” shouts a headline on the University of Victoria home page in August. A sidebar headline asks: “Is Earth the next Venus?” With pictures of belching smokestacks, the clear implication is that human carbon emissions are going to create this runaway greenhouse.​

The home page text reads: “UVic researcher Colin Goldblatt (School of Earth and Ocean Sciences) has found that the amount of solar energy the Earth now receives could trigger the greenhouse effect, where the planet would be sterilized and left with an atmosphere like that of Venus.” Scary!
Under a “Read More” link is short summary of Dr. Goldblatt’s research paper, published in Nature Geoscience. While the headline this time is more restrained—“Runaway greenhouse effect possible but difficult”—the first paragraph rather breathlessly announces that a runaway greenhouse effect would be “easier” to trigger than was previously believed. Yikes!
The last paragraph in the summary notes, however, that while a “sterilized” Earth could occur, it would take “10 times more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to trigger this than burning all of Earth’s fossil fuels—every bit of coal, oil and gas that exists—would give.”
In other words, if Dr. Goldblatt’s figures are correct, the possibility of a runaway greenhouse is extremely unlikely, the chances of a runaway greenhouse due to human carbon emissions are non-existent, and the UVic website’s main headline is seriously misleading and unnecessarily alarmist.
Elsewhere in UVic’s E&OS department, climate modeler Dr. Andrew Weaver has claimed that, even if we stabilize CO(*)(*)(*)(*)[SUB]2[/SUB] levels at 2006 levels, global warming could continue “unbounded” for centuries—i.e., a runaway greenhouse (Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a Warming World, p. 84).
One view or the other is wrong—no “consensus” here, apparently!—and my bets go with Dr. Goldblatt. Meanwhile, it’s sad to see the University of Victoria promoting global-warming scare stories that have no foundation in fact simply because these scares bring in research funding.

 

Why did Antarctic expedition ship get stranded in ice?
By Andrew Luck-Baker
on board the Aurora Australis
BBC producer Andrew Luck-Baker was on board a Russian research vessel when it became trapped in pack ice over Christmas. Here, Andrew, who was covering an expedition for the BBC World Service's Discovery programme, examines the events that led up to the ship being stranded.
As the members of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition (AAE) reach the end of their travels together, investigations will soon begin to establish why their Russian expedition ship, the MV Akademik Shokalskiy, became trapped in thick and extensive pack ice for 10 days.
The ship's entrapment at Christmas time led to an Australian icebreaker being diverted from its own operations hundreds of kilometres along the coast and a Chinese icebreaker also coming to the rescue.
That vessel ended up stuck in the ice itself for many days. A smaller French icebreaker ship was also summoned to the scene. It retreated when it became clear that the ice was much too thick for it to help.
The 52 members of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition were trapped until 2 January when a helicopter team from the Chinese vessel airlifted the scientists, tourists and operational staff to the Aurora Australis.
The expedition leaders could have some tough questions to face about logistical shortcomings which may have put the vessel at increased risk of becoming trapped. These were operational errors and mishaps during a visit by scientists and tourists to a location close to the Antarctic shore on 23 December. BBC News - Why did Antarctic expedition ship get stranded in ice?

Chris Turney's next expedition will probably be to London Zoo, as long as he promises to carry GPS.