God Forgives, Jesus Saves. God Condemns, Jesus Redeems

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  1. jmpet

    jmpet New Member

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    Jews stick by their Torah and Catholics stick by their New Testament. Muslims stick to the Qu'ran. And all three have the same father: Abraham. We are all bretheren of Abraham... we are the specks of light in the night sky too many to count- the offspring of Abraham.

    I have noticed that only Jesus offers personal salvation- basically every other religion offers submittance to a single deity. It is through Jesus that you are saved. Few agree worldwide.

    Just as numerous are the Muslims, who believe salvation is through a pact between you and God- your worship Him, He controls all.

    I noticed that God does not make virtuous nations, He makes virtuous people who, through God's will make virtouous nations... the Bible is a hodge-podge of God-inspired stories whereas the New Testament is the belief in a semi-god savior.

    Now God made Jesus, and to those believers Jesus is the path to God.

    600 years later Muhammed wrote the Qu'ran which unifies all the children of Abraham to the one true God.

    Thoughts.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Abraham was a crazy old coot without any redeeming values. He sold his soul (if such a thing exists) to the devil (if such a being exists) for a promise to have as many kids as a termite. He was a liar, thief, murderer, and sex pervert. As Jesus said, bad trees don't bear good fruit and Abraham was rotten to the core.

    It's interesting that Abraham made the deal to worship an entity who claimed to be God and Jesus refused a similar deal (although with the devil).
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    How can someone sell themselves to the Devil if he does not exist? And I find it amusing that you quote Jesus who spoke highly of Abraham, and even said that He existed before Abraham.
     
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    I believe it was a metaphor...
     
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    Convenient how God's son came along to show us a God that was not dogmatic , judgmental and violent . As per that blood and guts Old Testament .
    And that Paul certainly could write great scripts when under pressure .You can imagine him chatting to the apostles ,
    " This story is junk without a few sensational items . Jesus ( good name ) is never going to be taken on and bought by the Romans and Gentiles without some special effects . We need super powers and sex . What about a Father and Dad who have it away for the good of the audience . They can do anything, anytime , if they just scribble the sign of a fish on a nearby rock and make a sign with their hands .
    A few magic words , a magic sign and telepathic communication and we have an International hit "
    "Like it ", said Peter . "Now I think about it , that's how it was meant to happen ."
    And that was that job done .
    Next . Build a Church and get some money .
    Put Rome in the title and those daft
    Emperors will love it .
    The End .
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    According to the Bible, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. The perfect act of love. Jesus was love. In order to be closer to god you must understand and demonstrate love.

    Christianity is not the only way, love is the path.
     
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    oh yeah peter one more thing we're all gonna die for this and there will be mass persecution of the people that adhere to this book, but don't let that hold you back......
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    LOL!! That is so funny. A metaphor for what?
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    If He was as you describe then tell me this, why did He send His Son to save us?
     
  10. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Don't you realize that the whole thing is just an ethnocentric fairy tale? The Abraham character s despicable. If God exists and made such a deal with him then he is also disgusting. But the story does contain a bad guy, the devil. SO if anyone made a deal with Abraham it must have been the devil since the story also says that he tried to make a deal with Jesus.

    The person who created the Jesus character tied him into the Abraham character because the gullible folk thought that Abraham was their mythical father. That just shows what kind of character they had, and it was all rotten.

    Just because I discuss the characters doesn't mean that I think that they actually existed. If they did I would rather worship a radish than any of them. It's easier to write comments without always including disclaimers. I don't think that Tarzan, the Lone Ranger, Sherlock Holmes, or Dracula existed either but I can write about them in the same way.
     
  11. raymondo

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    You are doing what all delusionals do .
    Assuming that your conclusion predicates facts which make it logically necessary . There is no logic in the claim . That is , there is no rational sense .
    There is not even evidence to support it either .Apart from claim repetition , just based on a few people deciding to claim it . Hardly appealing .

    Why on earth would you assume that a wandering Essene Monk is the one and only Son when nothing he achieved then , or , others afterwards , has even hinted at the possibility of such a claim being even remotely possible ?
    To turn his crucifixion into some sort of story victory because the Hero and Story Star was killed off ( remarkable mind twist) , is inventive and very creative , but not something a rational person would want to admit to believing .Barmy , to be truthful .
    So you fall back on Faith , having nothing rational to say . And as we all know , that is when behaviour simply becomes random because it suits the person concerned .
    Mister Smith , it is no wonder that there are so few Christians remaining and their numbers decline continuously .
    What a surprise !
    But as long as you pay your taxes and try to keep to yourselves, you are a harmless bunch of eccentrics .
    If people are happily allowed to believe all the things that Free Speech permits , why should we treat your story any differently .
    Until they catch on , it gets us a few days extra holidays .
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    Wondering Essence Monk? Where in the world did you get that from? Every time someone such as yourself speak all the false assumption about what is in the Bible comes out.......it is your own misunderstanding that is the problem......in other words, what you believe and what the Bible actually says are 99.999999999>wrong.
     

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