God OR Science

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  1. kowalskil

    kowalskil New Member

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    God, and other spiritual entities, exist in the spiritual/metaphusical world of believers, not in your material/physical world.
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  2. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God IS.He is Omnipotent { All Powerfull } and Omniscient { All Knowing }
    and All seeing { Everywhere }.One,no matter the Greatest of Scientist
    can hide from God.I sometimes feel that is why God allowed Atheists
    to play their games.Daring them to see if they can hide from his
    authority.
    But No,a mere mortal,whether in a Spiritual or Material world
    can't decide/pretend or declare they don't exist in God's sphere.
    In their mind yes.That is why God endowed man with Free Will.
     
  3. old timer

    old timer New Member Past Donor

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    You talk a good argument but you can't prove one thing that you claim. All you do is rattle on like a little old lady at the back fence spreading more BS.
     
  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. Belief in God is a matter of faith, not proof. I choose to believe in God. It works for me. Your results may vary.
     
  5. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your knowledge of Hitler is just about as convincing as your ideas about 'God', I'm afraid.
     
  6. old timer

    old timer New Member Past Donor

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    I have been saying that it nothing more than a matter of faith all along.
     
  7. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    Because man did not evolve from the apes of today. Man evolved from common ancestors of humans and modern apes.


    Because their environment did not require them to do so to survive.

    "progressed" is subjective. Evolution is not a linear process from "bad" to "good". It is just organisms adapting to their environment over time. Sharks have not changed much in a very long time because they are already very well adapted to their environment.


    You proceed on the incorrect assumption that evolution is linear. Lots or organisms de-evolve. Traits are likely to atrophy if they are not required for survival.

    So your analogies above are wrong.


    Now...if God created all creatures:

    - Why do men have nipples and lactate?
    - Why do our eyes have a blind spot?
    - Why dont Whales and Dolphins breathe water?
     
  8. JavaBlack

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    Technically since God and science are both concepts, God came first.
    Science was not really developed until a couple centuries ago. Gods of some sort have been thrown around as the reason for things existing for millenia.

    And, as is usually the case, the newer model is way better than the old one.
    Science rocks!
     
  9. perdidochas

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    There is no proper comparison of the models--they refer to different things. Science relates to the natural world. God the supernatural one. The purposes of the two models is totally different, which is why I don't understand the conflict. There is nothing incompatible between being religious and being a scientist.
     
  10. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well then explain why the Vicar of Christ or the Pope is
    so magnificiently received all around the world.When both
    Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul came to the United States the
    crowds were record breaking.
    It can't just be Faith.It's an attitute.It's part of one's life.
    It's the merit of Holliness.To be Good.To seek Truth.
    To honor Virtue.
    I find yer answers insufferably juvenile as if I was debating a
    child in grade school.
    Maybe I'll try yer approach and say somethin juvenile.
    I find Science to be just a matter of science.Like a Science project in school.
    No Biggie.
     
  11. JavaBlack

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    I don't disagree with this.
    I don't believe in the supernatural world so much, but I respect the notion of allowing God to explain that which science can't (yet, with the yet constantly being moved outward to infinite).
    But some people define God differently.
     
  12. old timer

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    And I find you totally incapable of answering a simple yes or no question. Which you haven't done after three attempts by me to get you to do so. All you do is run off at the mouth some more.
     
  13. KSigMason

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    As I have said many times before, I believe science and religion are supposed to go hand in hand, but that extremists on either side have driven a wedge between the two.

     
  14. politicalcenter

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    When you think about "the begining" science and the bible are not that far apart.

    In the begining was the Word...bible

    In the begining was a singularity...physics.

    The question would be what is the Word?
    If there was "nothing" the Word would have to be silence.

    That would mean that nothing and something are the same thing.

    And time??? I had a dream afew years back...I walked through a factory, caught a bus, talked to people, went to a party...and science says it took what...about 15 seconds??

    Have fun with this...my private insanity.
     
  15. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is Science ?
    Science is finding out how God works.
    It will probably take an Eternity for Science to complete it's work/.
     
  16. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    No, they are mutually exclusive.

    Science deals in evidence and religion deals in faith. They don't go hand in hand, they're exact opposites.
     
  17. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Answer this Herr Dumbell.What percent of this Earth are pretty
    Religious.Like maybe the Middle East.You betcha.They are willing
    to sacrifice their own children in order to help their Faith {Religion}.
    I think guys like you are the ignurnt ones.There is No dispute,absolutely
    None as to the significance Religion and Faith have played in the lives of
    Human and cultures and civilizations alike.
    Yet dumbell on ... types like you dude {do'd}.
     
  18. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    There was a time when most people believed the world was flat, or that the Earth was the centre of the universe, or something else we now know is wrong. According to your "logic" that means it was actually true at the time just because most people believed it.

    And ignurnt? If you're going to call me IGNORANT at least don't be IGNORANT of the spelling.
     
  19. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    Religion plays a role in peoples lives because (as far as we know) man is the only animal with a sense of his own mortality and a sense of infinity.

    A question that could be asked is simply...why are there so many religions and so many gods...if there is only one God?
     
  20. politicalcenter

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    It could be an exagerated sense of self-worth that feeds religion.
     
  21. old timer

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    Religion equals two things. Money and power.
     
  22. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like Mother Teresa ... eh.Don't kid around with such dramatic lies.
    Mother Teresa.Truly The most Saintly of humans in MY Lifetime.
    She tended to the Poorest of the Poor.Those in Calcutta who
    few others would even bother with.
    She attended Fundraisers Late,purposedly to miss the nice dinners
    being offered.She felt bad knowing that others in her charge or awaiting
    her caring Big hands would not have such luxury as a nice dinner.
    Explain her Faithfullness ... please.
    Because Mother Teresa made it a Policy to Not Proselytize {convert}.
    A very simple,humble,good servant of the act of Altruism.
    Altruism was supposed to be synonymous with Faith.
    Like a Good Samaritan deed.
     
  23. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Mother T was an evil (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). She didn't tend the poor. She believed that watching suffering brought you closer to god. She gave poorer care than they could get at the local hospitals.
     
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    Still running your mouth I see.
     
  25. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yer rambling in the name of scientific expediancy.Like this Global
    Warming Hoax.
    Science and Scientists spent half or most of their time being
    wrong,like Louis Pasteur or even Thomas Edison.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with being wrong.
    That is the given nature of Man.Man is not Superman.Capable of moving
    large objects at the speed of light.
    I think that is half the battle with you Faith Denyiers.
    You want answers and you want them NOW ... Lickety Split.
    Like a teenager who craves sex and doesn't even know how to
    unwrap a condum from it's wrapper.
    Face it ... yer Silly.
     

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