GOP Debate

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  1. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Bush wasted alot of money also. Please don't sit there and try to make this out as some sort of agenda against Obama. However, when Obama passed Obamacare, which the majority of Americans didn't want, he crossed the line even further.

    What Obama is doing is, raising the debt limit, so he can spend more money of which we don't have.

    And it is not a gang of six, but a gang of 12. This gang of 12, bypasses congress and is the stupidest thing ever seen.

    What we need is to drastically cut spending.
     
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    But it is. Every GOP initiative is an agenda against Obama and by you and your party not being honest about your party's role in this jacked up economy shows how partisan the attacks really are.

    Not true. Sorry, but this simply isn't true. Every dime he spends he is offsetting it with tax increases or spending cuts (mostly spending cuts by the way). But you fake deficit hawks never acknowledge this.

    Gang of six came first. And if congress can't get anything done, why not have a smaller group that can.

    I disagree as do most of America that this is the only thing to do. They want to see millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share of taxes as well to close the gap. So what happens when people disagree? They compromise. Something the Republicans will not do.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, we are and vote against Obama because he is a far left liberal loon. Yes, we know the gop has spent and wasted, however they never passed Obamacare, which is a monstrosity. They never added 4 Trillion in less than 3 years.

    Obama has not offset anything. If he had offset spending than our debt limit would have not had to be reached and we would have not added 4 Trillion to the debt.

    The rich already pay their fair share, what do you believe is their fair share?

    half the country pays nothing in federal income taxes.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point that you are nothing more than a partisan hack with no reasoning whatsoever.

    Yes, the CBO says "Obamacare" will actually save us money. Oh I forgot, you only listen to them when it's fits your partisan attacks. Funny how you never say, "If Bush never tricked us into going into an illegal war, passed Medicare Part D or given rich people tax cuts they didn't need, we would not have so much debt".

    The same percentage of salary as a person making 120k/year pays.

    How much do you expect a family of 4 making less than 24k/year to pay?
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    If me wanting to not allow Obama to push his crappy agenda, makes me a partisian hack, than I am proud to call myself one.

    It will save us money? Yes, it will only because we have started to pay for the program, which will not be fully in affect until 2014 and because Obama cut $500 Billion from Medicare to help fund it. Oh and BTW- the American people don't want Obamcare, and its mandate is Unconstitutional.

    Everyone should pay tax, no matter there income. Even if they pay $200/yr its better than nothing.
     
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    So you don't mind the Republican agenda being pushed down your throats, as long as it isn't a liberal one. Ok, got it.

    Oh, maybe you don't understand what saving us money really means.

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11379/AmendReconProp.pdf

    Again, it won't fit your partisan argument so you might not want to read it.

    They do. Payroll taxes, Medicare, SS, Medicaid, Sales, etc. There are plenty of taxes they are paying. Get real and stop believing that crap they are feeding you.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    They do pay taxes out of their checks every week, however that money is returned back to them when they file each year. Don't you ever wonder why people with low income always seem to get a refund?

    I am for cut cap and balance. I am for the Ryan plan. I am for plans that actually cut spending and get our house in order instead of spending trillions in 3 years.

    your the biggest partisan hack on this forum.
     
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    Yes, those that are the poorest among us will get tax credits. Guess what, everyone gets tax credits. It's simply their paycheck is so small that the tax credits they get will offset some (maybe even most) of the taxes they pay. Not all. Some.

    Let's see how that works out for the GOP. Remember who gave us our last balanced budget and how he increased taxes as well as cut spending to acheive that. Oh, but that would be too logical to look at a policy that actually works.

    Please learn the difference between your and you're. And no, I've seen bigger hacks on both sides than either one of us. I am very liberal but I'm no partisan hack. You can search my posts to verify that. I've found more ground on this forum with conservatives than you've probably ever found with liberals.
     
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    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    The last balanced budget? you mean when congress was controlled by republicans right? you do realize that congress is the ones who pass a budget right? ohhh thats right, you want to give all the credit to Clinton, well because he is a democrat.
     
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    Ok, I agree. They gave us the budget as well as the tax increase. So are you laying claim to both now?
     
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