Government funded athletes?

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  1. ryanm34

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    Government funding of athletes, I was wondering if this happens in other countries?

    I just discovered that the Sports Council pays grants to international athletes to allow them to train full time.

    The grants range from 12,000 to 40,000 and are dependent on success at international competitions. I think less than 25 receive the top rate and less than 2 million is spent overall.

    I see the point but I honestly wonder if you should be using state funds to support the careers of international athletes?
     
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    I consider sport as a form of art so yes.
     
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    Not agreeing here, for now.

    Please explain, Paris -- because I don't get what you mean?

    Is "pole dancing" an art as well? :???:
     
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    I don't know the amount of the grants specifically -- but I'm pretty sure the grants of small countries like ours are small beer when compared with e.g. France, Germany, UK, etc.

    One of my best friend's BF works "behind the scenes" with many top sporters. You've got the ones that get paid enormously, e.g. footballers or tennissers -- they get paid alot for doing very little when compared with somebody who does athletics, etc.

    Grants are neccessary.

    It is almost unimaginable -- but some athletes have to give up everything to excell and they win nothing in the process. All for a chance of glory of a couple of minutes for themselves and their country...

    I have no problem with grants.
     
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    Telling example, of a narrow delimiting of art. Next we are to be introduced to an art canon and its cohort of moralists. No thanks.

    My favorite part in Peer Gynt, to answer your question, is when Anitra dances lasciviously on the floor.

    Amen to that.
     
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    There as so many problems its difficult to know where to start!

    Its supposed to be amateurs.... Well thats a load of bollocks!

    The officials, they give their time free of charge for donkey years and are unable to be given recognition by officiating at the Olympics! They have to purchase they're own uniforms, pay for their own accommodation and travel for the privilege of giving their time year on year freely to those that wish to compete!

    That doesn't seem fair.

    But another item which is missing from the media of the UK, many countries complained of cheating and guess who they all blamed!!!!

    One common denominator!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    I am not sure I follow you with the sport as a form of art however the fact that we fund arts projects could also be used to justify grants to sports people man does not live on bread alone etc etc.
     
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    I am with jan on this.

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    Forgive my ignorance what on earth is peer gynt?
     
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    What is it but a form of modern dance?
     
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    Actually one of the justification for grants here is that athletes from larger countries have much greater opportunities for sponsorship etc and so to have any presence we need to support sports people here where larger countries have less need to.
     
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    And to my shame I have no idea who he is, my knowledge of literature outside the anglosphere is pitiful, but Ibsen seems very interesting from your link, this is defo going on the list of worthy things I must eventually get around to reading/finishing.
     
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    Don't waste your time with the book, it's a play: go see it! If you really enjoyed it, you can always read the book later. (Any play by Ibsen is worth it imo)
     
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    I live in RURAL Ireland do you have any idea how difficult it is to catch a theatrical production never mind a FOREIGN play?

    Lol, I have read my way through friel from sheer frustration, I will catch a play by Iben if it ever comes to Dublin but to deprive myself of something that has come so highly recommonded on the vagary of geography would be cruel.
     
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    I took it you were not very interested in literature so I suggested going to a theatre instead. I would have gladly invited you to come see it in Paris but I suppose your French needs practice. Dublin is a good place since the new Irish Literary Theatre - later to become Ireland’s Abbey Theatre, has been partly founded by George Moore after being moved by the performance of Ghosts (another infamous play by Ibsen) at André Antoine’s Théâtre Libre in 1890.
     
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    Poor Ryanm,...

    RURAL Ireland, no less!

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    *jealous*
     
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    Art <=> Sports

    I thought about it for a day, and I must say I don't agree with Paris.

    Art is a window upon society. Sports, on a professional level, is about competition and a strive to win...

    Art isn't about "winning".
     
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    I read earlier that it is a play, I didn't knew that... :omg:

    I only knew the music by Grieg. I thought it was merely a piece of music on which a story could be told...

    We had to listen to it for hours when we were about 10-12 years in primary school, and I always thought the teacher made the story-up as they went along... Now I know, because of Paris, that it is an actual play...

    Then, about 6 years later Edward Grieg came back into my life on my winter exams for music in high school...

    Long time I listened to him, I'm going to have a smoke and listen to him for a couple of minutes. :thumbsup:
     
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    My french is no where near that standard unfortunatly, yes the abbey is great however again there is a focus on irish productions, they did faith healer last year and it was amazing.
     
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    I'm not argueing with you on that one.

    I'm just saying, that "an art" doesn't belong on the Olympics.

    We have art competitions for that one...

    Anyways...

    Europe absolutely destroyed USA and China on the Olympics -- Europeans preformed very well... we continue to set the standards on all fields, even sports!
     
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    He's a drunken Irish Lord who consumed too much alcohol. Hence the incorrect spelling of Gin. Consequently he missed Anitra's floral antics.
     
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    Yea, but I wanted to mention the Abbey Theatre as it was the first state-subsidized theatre in the English-speaking world darling;)

    But you got me thinking..

    Peer Gynt happens to be programmed for the Dublin Festival Theatre, next Fall:

    http://dublintheatrefestival.com/programme/display.asp?Eventid=597

    I stumbled on an add for a three course dinner at the Sideline Bistro in The Croke Park Hotel, if I buy a ticket to the show for only &#8364;20!

    It sounds like anice place don't you think?

    PS: I can help with your French:)
     

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