Great Amerian Gun Myth no 3 Guns will ensure my freedom!!

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  1. stjames1_53

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    gang violence
     
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    canada has less gang violence yet more guns, so violating the liberty of a law biding american based on an assumption of guns sharing a correlation with violence is immoral.
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    Sorry? Failure to even remotely make sense to me

    How the HELL is discussing the POSSIBILITY that an increase in firearm ownership mean that anyone is "violating the liberty of a law biding American"

    Bit of a stretch
     
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    did you read what you posted? You may have just admitted that an increase of ownership DOESN'T violate liberty?????? because I didn't read that in any other posts and it sure sounds like you are finally agreeing with us.
     
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    All countries have differences in variables that will impact on crime rates. This only describes the need to control for these variables. And when you do and avoid 'correlation is not causation'? You find that Canadian evidence supports the US evidence and the success of gun control. By referring to Canada you've only attacked your original argument
     
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    When you apply incorrect linearization functions to your variables then try to apply them to your hypothesis that is highly unethical.
     
  7. Reiver

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    Every time you try this bluster you only advertise your ignorance of the techniques used. Is that deliberate?
     
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    Your lack of linearization techniques between sample groups shows how you really don't understand what your talking about.
     
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    You haven't a clue what you're talking about and I'm not interested in the petty pretending. If you do want to consider the econometrics involved then try. You're going of course to have to refer to specific paper as numerous techniques are employed, all with different characteristics and means to assess robustness.

    So get going: Choose a paper and critique a specific aspect of its empirical approach! (I of course expect dodge-prattle)
     
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    Try using established scholarly methods. I expect dodge and prattle.
     
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    scariest-place-on-earth-Auschwitz-Birkenau-Concentration-Camp-Poland.jpg

    Perfect gun free zone where there is ZERO civilian crime.

    BTW it is Auschwitz.
     
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    Last chance: Choose a paper and critique a specific aspect of its empirical approach.
     
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    Last chance. Use scholarly methods.
     
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    Given you're unable to refer to even one paper, you're useless. Bye
     
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    [video=youtube;dm_G5x1yzsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm_G5x1yzsE[/video]

    Genocide by machette is much superior to genocide by gun.
     
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    Congratulations!! The official loser of the thread debate by being the first to invoke Godwin's law
     
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    You tubes are not research papers and generally those that do post your tubes are unable to differentiate between anecdotes and research
     
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    Best defense against tyranny.

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    And Gandhi g the British without shooting

    Who was right?
     
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    The british didn't leave because of gandhi and peace, most of the latter exits of the british empire came out of fear of the American fight for independence.

    they couldn't afford another war of independence to save their empire.
     
  21. Bowerbird

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    Oh! Rubbish - India was the golden cow that was making them rich! Gandhi analysed what it was that they were making money from and put a stop to it. Besides which American Independence was in 1776 - India did not get independence until 1947!!
     
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    After the British empire lost to the Americans, they never had the courage to use military force to put down a violent resistance of another one of their colonies again..

    If it weren't for the United States, a gun owning nation, Australia would still be paying taxes to the Queen without any return for their Universal health care coverage.

    The Brits would have never let go of Australia without a fight if Americans didn't use their guns to declare independence in the past, that is why our liberty to own guns must be preserved because we saved the world from the English and today from the Muslim Arabs. :flagus:



    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_and_how_did_Australia_become_an_independent_nation
     
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    More Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!! Are you honestly trying to tell me that there were NO applications of military fore in any of the British colonies between 1776 and 1947 - OMG! Do you Yanks even realise there is a "rest of the world"?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857
    EMB - Even More Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!

    Who did you get that conclusion from that excerpt?? If America had not been there to sign the ANZUS treaty then we would have signed with someone else - possibly Canada and to be honest we would have been better off if we had - the ANZUS treaty has got more for America than Australia
     
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    You should thank Americans. If it weren't for us you would be speaking Japanese and eating fish heads and rice.
     
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    .....back to the original question...do they ensure my freedom? No, but they can be used when all else fails.....it is the last box of justice
     

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