Gun Control needs to be instituted

I only heard part of his statement but he seemed to be saying that burning buildings and burning children were no more entitled to water than plants struggling to survive.

 

Wow. These people are insane.

 

Generally, anybody who is a member of some kind of government uniform service is not a civilian. That can be police or any law enforcement, firefighters, fish and game wardens, and almost anybody else who among their duties wears a uniform and has a duty to uphold laws and protect the civilian population.

Hence the word "Paramilitary" is often used for such organizations. Which literally means and organization organized similar to that of the military, but not actually in the military. And yes, firefighters are considered among that for many reasons. Like almost universally being organized into "Battalions", "Companies", and "Squads". Some even go so far as to include organizations like the Boy Scouts as Paramilitary Organizations.

 

There is a reason I generally reject the extreme fanatics on both sides of the political spectrum. I find that the vast majority of them are simply insane and psychopaths.

 

Boy Scouts not civilians. LOL.

As I said, it’s subjective. Many countries don’t consider non military as non civilians. Our society is trending authoritarian so like I said it’s no surprise there is a tendency to refer to law enforcement as combatants.

I guess any group can put on a uniform, claim they are serving the community, form battalions, and viola, not civilians!

I see your point. But when a designation is diluted to include everyone it is essentially a meaningless designation.

Civilian and non civilian is meant to refer to non combatants and combatants. I prefer it stays that way.

 

Hey, I am not saying I accept or believe that, but there are many that do.

This can even be seen in the 1984 movie "Red Dawn", where the Cuban Colonel in charge of the occupation referred to some of the kids hiding in the woods as a part of an "elite paramilitary organization", known as "Eagle Scouts". And there can actually be seen a strong connection to a great many of the most respected in the military in the last century having also been Eagle Scouts in their youth. And in many ways, the Hitlerjugend was no different than the Boy Scouts. Other than late in the war they were actually given guns and sent out to fight in the front lines.

And if we had actually needed to invade Japan, a lot of the resistance would likely have come from the Boi Sukauto Nihon Renmei (Boy Scouts of Japan), as they like the Hitlerjugend was actively trained and organized to assist in the defense of Japan in the event of an invasion. In fact, Scouting in Japan was almost destroyed post-war as most of the senior leadership of the organization by 1945 (like Rear Admiral Count Sano Tsuneha) was forbidden from continuing their leadership positions in Scouting because of their having been military officers. That restriction was not removed until 1952 when the occupation ended. And scouting in Japan did not start to become popular again until the 1960s.

But do not confuse "civilian" and "paramilitary", and think of them as military. None of them are military organizations, hence the inclusion of "Para". Under the Geneva Convention, paramilitary organizations (government and non-government) are classified as civilians including law enforcement. Hence the use of the very word "Paramilitary". Even private security companies are classified as "Paramilitary Organizations", even if they are unarmed.

 

The rights of a US citizen are immutable and eternal.

 

under us and international law-everyone who is not under the UCMJ is a civilian. Cops, firefighters, politicians, etc are all civilians.

 

The UCMJ only covers the US.

Under the Geneva Convention of 1949, they are classified as "Auxiliary Forces". They fell under all previous classifications of being "military" under the Geneva Convention and Hague Protocols in that they do carry arms, wear uniforms, and follow a set hierarchal structure (three of the main identifiers of a "military force). However, in 1949 they were recognized as a separate entity and exempt from much of what can be done in an occupied nation.

For example, civilian labor can be conscripted by the occupying power for the purposes of restoring infrastructure. Clearing rubble, transportation, working and harvesting crops, restoring key utilities like water and sewage, burial details, things like that. However, exempt from being conscripted are medical, clergy, law enforcement, fire services, and members of the judicial system (including judges, state lawyers, and prison guards). Geneva and Hague recognizes that their role of enforcing order and doing their primary duties is more important than their being used to clear out damage from the war. And that is likely based upon what the Allies were doing in Germany as it came under occupation. The US-UK-France did indeed allow such groups to work under their own auspices with occupation oversight, even "deputizing" every German Army MP they could find and vette into duty as police during the early parts of the occupation. However, they are largely the only "government employees" such exempted. Educators, politicians, administrators, clerks, and all others are not exempt and can be conscripted into the civilian labor pool.

This can even be seen in one of the last episodes of "Band of Brothers", where members of Easy are assisted in a checkpoint by a German Army MP (identified by the gorget he wears around his neck).



In other words, not military but not "civilian" either, but a classification between the two (hence "Auxiliary Forces"). As a common problem in almost all occupations has been to keep the civilian law enforcement operational so a region does not descent into anarchy and lawlessness.

 

this thread is about gun control in the USA-I was a federal law enforcement officer. my ultimate boss-be it Bill Barr, Janet Reno, etc, was the chief civilian law enforcement officer in the USA. Under that person was the FBI, USMS, DOJ, etc, all of us were civilians. The only police who are military are MPs-Navy, USAF, USMC, USCG or Army.

 

Here's a rebuttal to that:
https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/debunking-the-myth-concealed-carry-killers

 

NRA misinformation- how sweet!

 

citing the VPC on gun issues is akin to citing the KKK on black contributions to American society

 

Does your reactionary hatred of the NRA prevent you from understanding that it was the Heritage Foundation that put out that study? And can you prove "misinformation" or is it sufficient for you to still be upset that the NRA is critical of your nanny state idiotic gun laws?

 

And citing the Heritage (we take money for opinions) Foundation is a waste of time. They were in the pay of the tobacco industry and have not stopped the grift since then
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heritage_Foundation

 

I don’t “hate” them, I just have a realistic view of a group that is owned bodyand soul by the gun manufacturers.

 

a bogus charge that you cannot establish as true. We get the fact you have a hatred for the NRA but guess what-the study you reacted to had nothing to do with the NRA nor your inane hatred of that group. And it is far more likely that the anti gun movement is owned and financed by the international communist movement than your claims about the NRA

 

Who pays for all the anti gun propaganda spewed on this board? Let's see-we have bloomberg, Soros, Chinese intelligence etc. Groups and people who hate America

 

Can you prove this?

 

Oh, that's right!
You only accept misinformation you agree with.
Silly us.

 

VPC misinformation- how sweet!

 

she cannot, having been a life member for almost 50 years, I know its complete BS. That lie is one of the stock mantras from the international jihad against the gun rights of American citizens
https://www.wral.com/fact-checking-gillibrand-claims-nra-is-largely-funded-by-gun-makers/18319901/

The report reviewed federal campaign records of the NRA's overall revenue in 2013, finding "that much of this money comes from everyday Americans." This remains accurate in 2019.

Gillibrand is incorrect to claim that "the NRA is largely funded by the gun manufacturers."

the oft told lie by gun banners concerning the NRA funding shows that gun banners hate legal gun ownership and the gun business. That they think it is an insult to claim (dishonestly) that most of the NRA's money comes from the makers shows that the gun haters don't hate criminals-they hate legal gun ownership

 

I believe people who commit crimes are criminals. Semantic arguments much?