Gun Control Works! Here's the Proof

Uh, we already have gun control.

We also have more auto deaths than the Amazonian people who live in hunter gatherer societies. But only guns are the targets. Perhaps you should live like the amazon peoples? No risk for a death from a car wreck.

The right to guns was a safeguard against a gov;t by and for the people being stolen from them. Can't take a gov't back when the gov't has guns and you have a baseball bat. Taking a bat to a gun fight is a losing proposition. I know that lefties have this belief that a gov't can never turn on its own people, and yet history is full of that. Generally after they take away the guns from the people. So, go to hell. No offense.

As an american, I do not want to be like the UK, or france or australia. And we began this nation by NOT being like the rest of the world. So, again, go to hell. No offense. Don't like, move to a nation where only the authorities have the guns.

 

What did you mean by ‘spying on citizens’?

And FYI....this symbol ‘?’ is a question mark. When one is used it means someone is asking a question. You’re welcome.

 

Just what I said. The law gives leeway to spy on citizens.
Which doesn't mean every single citizen is being spied on. How would you draw such a conclusion?
And your snide statement after your question made your question moot. Your welcome.

 

Can't take it back either with semi autos going against bombers, tanks, and flamethrowers.

But we do have the power of the vote.
Even though the RW side wants to limit that.
Hmm, RW claims rights to guns, but wants to take away the right to vote.

 

What would be a reason to spy on a citizen?

Does your snide comment make what you said moot? No, because I’m not a whiny little girl.

 

Might not, but it is a helluva fight worth fighting. You wanta live forever? Principles my man, principles, for without them man ain't jack sh*t.

I am grateful that there are enough of us who would fight that good fight. For principle. And I have little doubt the liberals, fake liberals, would be like the Tories. They would side with tyranny. A real liberal of course would not side with the tyrants. But then not many fake liberals enlist in our military either.

 

Are you sure.

 

Again, what would be a reason for the govt to spy on a citizen?

 

Using a gun to fight against the US government would also be the equivalent of taking a baseball bat to a gun fight. First, why do you want to fight the democratically-elected US government? Second, do you really believe that your gun would be enough to fight against tanks and bombs dropped from drones? This is the 21st Century, not the 18th. Get up to date!

 

Political motives?
Why make it easy for the gov't to spy on citizens?

Why does our gov't spy on other countries?
Why do other countries spy on us?

 

Already brought that up.
He thinks it manly to be able to shoot BB gun type weapons against the US military.

 

Countries spy on each other because believe it or not, countries have enemies. This is nothing new.
As for political reasons, are you saying the govt will spy on the average citizen for political reasons? If yes, could you be more specific? Walk me through a scenario on why the govt would spy on Joe Citizen.

 

Why? I already said every citizen isn't being spied on.
Do R's consider D's an political enemy? And vice versa?

 

You fail to mention that if you drop about 5 long time democrat run cities from equation the US is near the bottom of the list.

 

I agree. But it is a fight worth fighting for those with principles as our founders had. Anyways, how many of the gov't forces would kill their neighbors and fellow americans? I hope we never find out.

 

I didn’t say anything about EVERY citizen. I asked you to explain why the govt would spy on the average citizen. I didn’t say tell me why the govt would spy on EVERY citizen. R’s and D’s ARE in fact citizens of this country, correct?
Are you saying that the ONLY spying being done is for political reasons and ONLY being done on people IN politics? How about you stop being vague and explain in detail what the hell you mean. If you can’t do that then clearly you’re just talking out of your @55.

 

First, your statement is not true. Secondly, a number of cities with high murder rates are run by Republicans. Think Miami. I wish people would check facts before posting such nonsense. The low-IQ people want to blame the Democrats for everything. Soon those of you with low cognitive ability will be blaming the Democrats for hurricanes and for making Trump stupid.

 

You said Joe citizen. Which I took as your average American. Which is implying any citizen at all. So correct, not everyone at the same time. But which Joe citizen would it be?
I am not saying anything.
Except the Patriot Act allows for easier spying.
You can use whatever imagination you want. But I have not said anything other than that.

 

If you're willing to fight "for those with principles as our founders had, are you also willing to fight to reintroduce slavery? Are you willing to take away the vote from everyone except white male property owners? Are you willing to outlaw political parties as George Washington desired? Just because people believed things centuries ago does not necessarily mean that we should hold the same beliefs today.

Why don't you fight for decent education so that you people could learn to express themselves in English. Improving your English skills would benefit you much more than owning a gun.

 

The post quoted above is about fighting the US government. I find it astounding that there are still people in the United States who think that taking up arms against a democratically-elected government would be a good idea. Didn't the Germans try that in the 1930? That did not end well.

Even if it were possible to fight tanks, drones, and fighter jets with AK-47s, trying to overthrow a democracy is a terrible idea.

 

Europe is over 90% white while the US is over 60%. White people tend to have a much lower murder rate than minorities. If you compare the murder rate of Europe compared to white areas of the US like Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire their murder rates are comparable. They have murder rates of .9, 1.6, and 1.6 which is comparable to murder rates in other developed countries.

There is no real proof that the gun ban reduced homocide rates in the UK or Australia: In the UK the homocide rates rose before declining. And in Australia the tend wasn't changed very much. The reality is that 80% of gun violence is gang related and these guys aren't just going to turn in their guns because the government told them too. These are the same people who have swamped out country with drugs even though they are illegal. The biggest impact on gun violence comes from strong law enforcement and culture.

 

I think the reasons for fighting a gov't which is no longer by and for the people was mentioned by our founders. So, if you are astounded, you must not think very well of our founders? Or know how they thought, from what we know of them and the founding of this nation?

What in the hell makes you think we have a democracy, or rather a republic? This is no longer a gov't by and for the people, as evidenced by Princeton. It is a gov't by and for the elites and special interests with the People getting zero representation. It has the appearance of a republic, because we vote, yet by appearance looks to be similar to oligarchy.

 

Check your facts before you post. Madagascar is almost 100% black and has a homicide rate of 0.62 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 4.88 in the United States. Mozambique, Liberia, Equatorial Guinea, and Bangladesh all have lower murder rates than the USA.

Even in the USA, states with the highest homicide rates are often those whose residents are mostly not of color: Nevada 7.6, Alaska 7.0, Oklahoma 6.2, Arizona 5.5, Pennsylvania 5.2, Wisconsin 4.0, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

As far as people who are "illegal" is concerned, study after study has shown that the crime rate among those in the country without permission is much lower than that among the native born. Most of the undocumented keep a low profile and avoid any situation that would bring them into contact with law enforcement.

Your attempt to blame our high homicide rate on people of color is not only racist, it is incorrect. People of color don't kill people. Guns kill people. As to you, if you want to make racist posts, at least try to make you racist claims more difficult to disprove.

 

You keep saying ‘easier spying’ yet you have no real examples to back it up. Which Joe Citizen? I don’t know...you tell me as YOU are the one saying our govt can spy on us.

 

You are the only one to bring up Joe Citizen.

What is the "USA/Patriot" Act?
Just six weeks after the September 11 attacks, a panicked Congress passed the "USA/Patriot Act," an overnight revision of the nation's surveillance laws that vastly expanded the government's authority to spy on its own citizens, while simultaneously reducing checks and balances on those powers like judicial oversight, public accountability, and the ability to challenge government searches in court.
https://www.aclu.org/other/surveillance-under-usapatriot-act

Did the Patriot Act Change US Attitudes on Surveillance?
by SAFIA SAMEE ALI and HALIMAH ABDULLAH

In the emotional wake of 9/11, a shocked and grieving nation demanded answers and justice. Lawmakers pledged to provide both with the Patriot Act.

Fifteen years later, the law dramatically expanded the government's ability to gather surveillance, broadened the definition of terrorism and sought to strengthen border security. It led to roving wiretaps and the much-criticized collection and storage of U.S. citizens’ phone and internet metadata while requiring communications companies to hand over that data.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/9...-act-change-us-attitudes-surveillance-n641586