Guns for self-protection cause more harm than good

This is another example of 1+1=3. The research looks good until you start actually using your own brain to determine what was left out to reach their predetermined conclusion. That conclusion (simplified), if a gun was present in the residence at the time of the homicide, then the possession of the firearm did not help prevent the homicide. Basically, the research states what could be considered a foregone conclusion, and was a complete waste of money even conducting it. But if you truly wanted to proven whether owning a gun is beneficial or a hazard, then you need to consider incidents where the gun owner used a firearm to prevent a homicide. A CDC report determined that there are between 1 million an 4 million incidents annually where a individual used a firearm to prevent a homicide from occurring. While this a national average, it clearly indicates that homicides are reduced by possession of a firearm. By limiting their research to only when a homicide actually occurs, they eliminate the prevention factor, and basically invalidate their own conclusions.

This is another example of the length that anti-gun-nuts will go to pursue their unconstitutional agenda. If you want to get rid of guns, then get rid of the necessity to own one. You do that by getting after illegal gun ownership. But the DNC does not allow that, because that is their voting base.

 

Los Angeles is a great example, lots of Gangs of all types, Armed to the teeth with all manner of prohibited firearms, yet, the only proposed solution is to further disarm the Law Abiding Citizens, not the Gangs doing the killing of innocents and Criminals alike.

 

LA is four hours from vegas where we have incredibly lax gun laws

 

That doesn't address the fact of DrWhos post that the proposed solution is to disarm the lawful citizens of California.

 

Yet, to buy any firearm in Las Vegas, you must be a Legal resident of Las Vegas, you must pass the Federal Instant Check and fill out a 4473, and for Class lll firearms, a $ 250 tax, as well as ATF paperwork and quite a few months wait.

No, it is not as Lax as you say, you are ignorant of the subtle nuances in place preventing Criminals from firearms, Los Angeles places additional burdens on Law Abiding Citizens that has no effects on Criminals.

If Criminals are buying firearms in Las Vegas for Illegal Interstate Commerce, as in sales to other Criminals, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.

 

Nope. You just go on ARMSLIST or to one of our many gun shows and buy a gun with no background check. It is incredibly simple and don't talk to me about how that might be illegal as if that is any impediment at all.

 

That is B.S. any gun bought on Armslist or Gun Broker must go through an FFL if the sale is not local.

All people operating as Dealers must have an FFL and document all gun sales.
Why continue to dissemble ?

 

Uh....it would be local if the person from LA comes to Vegas. DUH

 

No, two different States, so it is not LOCAL,
Duh..... Thanks for playing.

When you cross a State line, even if it divides your property, all Laws apply as far as sales, Oregon and Washington are within walking distance yet residents of either cannot purchase a handgun in the other State without a transfer arranged through two FFL holders and pay fees of around $50, which is ridiculous, one should only have to pass the Federal Instant check and fill out a 4473 and affirm the sale does not violate any local ordinances.

 

Dude you do not have to prove you are local. Are you kidding me with this nonsense? The seller can sell the gun and HE breaks no laws if he does not ask for ID

 

So your solution is to place undue regulations on the lawful. How about we punish the criminal with federal charges? Let them sit in front of a federal judge. We are too soft of violent criminals.

Do you remember the car jacking phase that America experienced in the early 90's? Why do we rarely hear about carjacking anymore?

n 1992, Congress, in the aftermath of a spate of violent carjackings (including some in which the victims were murdered), passed the Federal Anti-Car Theft Act of 1992 (FACTA), the first federal carjacking law, making it a federal crime (punishable by 15 years to life imprisonment) to use a firearm to steal "through force or violence or intimidation" a motor vehicle.

BOOM! Problem solved..... we can solve gun violence if we stop focusing on guns. Focusing on guns doesnt allow us to focus on the real problem... Criminals.

 

Ignorance of the Law is no excuse, if you sell a gun to a non resident, one of another State, you are breaking Federal Law, and all you have to do is ask to see a Driver's license, very simple and photo copy it or use a phone to take a picture, Criminals generally vanish in a puff of esmoke when the very mention of ID cones up.

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Not to mention all the Criminals getting shot trying to Car Jack someone !!!

 

Flat out wrong. You are not required to ask for ID under the law so you are not breaking the law. They would have to prove that you somehow KNEW this person was a criminal.

 

Yes, you are required to know if a Gun buyer is local to you by requesting to see a Driver's license.
And you make a receipt and make a copy of their Driver's license, it is too easy to do.

 

You are not required to ask for ID of any kind. Prove it.

 

You are required to know if a handgun buyer is from your State of residence by asking to see a valid driver's license from your own State.

No proof, no private sale.

 

Prove it. You are simply wrong.

 

I did prove it.

It is illegal to Privately sell a handgun to a resident of another State.

 

The moon is made of green cheese.

Hey I proved it. LOL

 

Look it up, you will see how many times you broke Federal Law by ILLEGAL sales of handguns to Felons and Residents of other States.

 

I accept you can not prove your claim.

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This was not your claim. You claimed they HAD to request ID. They do not.

 

Yes, anyone selling a handgun especially is required to know if the buyer is a resident and that is accomplished by seeing a valid State issued Driver's license of the same State.

 

And your claim is as valid as mine in that the moon is made of green cheese. Without a reference both are dismissed

 

Look it up, I did, it is illegal to sell a handgun to a non resident of your State and if you are selling a handgun, you must see a State issued ID proving they are a resident of the same State.

 

I again see no reference.