Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Moi621, Jul 20, 2018.

?

Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

  1. Yes

    59 vote(s)
    60.8%
  2. No

    38 vote(s)
    39.2%
  1. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    680
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No I am saying he had no weapon and wasnt anywhere near the killer to cause him harm unlike the shooter who did have a weapon.

    He could have just drawn that and not fired, there was no reason to fire .
     
  2. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    680
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes he was, he was already backing away from the killer, video clearly shows this.
     
  3. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    28,747
    Likes Received:
    4,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He could have very easily died. Just happened here in Ma, a woman was pushed down hit her head on concrete and died. If you choose to violently push someone down, everyone reading this should fully be aware and expect that if the person you pushed down is armed there is a very high probability that you may be lethally shot.
     
  4. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think there was plenty reason to fire, the attack was not over regardless of any steps the pusher man made. The guy in the blue shirt was in retreat, the pusher man was just reassessing the attack, only when he was shot did he "retreat", which happens to look a lot like the retreat the gentleman in the blue shirt made once the gun was presented.

    Some people just can't identify threats in a timely manner...
     
    Bravo Duck likes this.
  5. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You are clearly misidentifying what you are seeing...
     
  6. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113
     
  7. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,312
    Likes Received:
    788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well you don't know how bad he was hurt from the video but hr didn't know what was to follow if he didn't use his weapon, this is where fear of great bodily harm or death comes in.
     
  8. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    680
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No just watch the video, he has taken 2-3 steps backward before the killer puls the gun.


    There was no threat the guy was few meter away and backing off BEFORE he pulled a gun. just watch the video without bias and you will see.

    There was no reason to fire after being pushed .

    And if the defense was "he was scared" well then murder gets very easy in florida.
     
  9. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,448
    Likes Received:
    15,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Couldn’t have been too hurt considering how quickly he was able to get his gun out.
     
  10. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,312
    Likes Received:
    788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No you don't have to care what a stranger thinks but if you truly don't care what they think then why participate at all?
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2018
  11. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2017
    Messages:
    3,312
    Likes Received:
    788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Adrenalin.
     
  12. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2014
    Messages:
    10,432
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Does not mean the pusher man was disengaging from the fight, people step all kinds of ways. And furthermore the pusher man took two (2) purposeful steps towards the shooting man after the push, and hitched up his drawers. Some know what was coming next, some don't.

    The pusher man had not broken off the attack yet, only after having been shot did he change his mind...
     
    Bravo Duck likes this.
  13. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    680
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He pushed him away from his wife (i suppose) and then started to step backwards before the other drew his gun.

    He could have drawn his gun and not fired, the victim was nowhere near close to do anything about that.

    It was a push, if he had wanted to attack him he would have already done that.
     
  14. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,448
    Likes Received:
    15,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hahahahaha....stop with the nonsense
     
  15. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,448
    Likes Received:
    15,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again, what does caring about what you think have to do with anything?
     
  16. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You question is irrelevant.
    Let us know when the SA charges the shooter,
     
  17. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I see you still do not understand the law requires the state to prove the shooter did not have a reasonable fear of death of bodily injury,
     
  18. k995

    k995 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    680
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No its relevant you just dont want to answer it.

    And as I said that makes murder be very easy in florida, its almost impossible to prove what was someone thinking.
     
  19. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You cannot show this to be true.
    Absent said proof, it's not murder..
     
  20. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Anything and everything can constitute a deadly attack. If an individual suffers from a severe nut allergy, exposing them to a snack food produced with peanuts constitutes a deadly attack, especially if the individual did such deliberately.
     
  21. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2018/03/michael_bennett_indicted_on_fe.html

    Philadelphia Eagles defensive lineman Michael Bennett was indicted on a felony charge of injuring the elderly by a grand jury in Harris County, Texas on Friday. The incident occurred in February 2017, as Bennett tried to go on the field at NRG Stadium in Houston and celebrate his brother, Martellus, winning a Super Bowl with the New England Patriots.


    According to investigators, Bennett was told by security, including a 66-year-old paraplegic woman, that he had to use a different entrance to head onto the field. Bennett pushed his way through security, including the 66-year-old, according to authorities.


    Bennett was indicted on a charge of injury to the elderly, which is a felony in Harris County, Texas. That charge includes intentionally and knowingly causing bodily harm to a person 65 years or older. The penalty could carry up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.


    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/19..._1_terranova-assault-and-battery-heart-attack

    An East Baltimore man faces up to 20 years in prison after being convicted yesterday of assault and battery for shoving a Highlandtown shopkeeper who suffered a fatal heart attack during the incident.

    A Baltimore Circuit Court jury deliberated for an hour and a half yesterday before finding John Frank Terranova not guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the June 3, 1992, death of 51-year-old Conrad George Leimbach. The jury convicted Terranova of assault and battery, which carry maximum sentences of 20 years.
     
  22. dave8383

    dave8383 Banned at Members Request Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2018
    Messages:
    4,995
    Likes Received:
    1,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So if you serve someone with nut alergy, and you don't know it, a meal that has nuts in it they can shoot you? The shooter was pushed. Nothing happened to him. He didn't hit his head. He didn't break a bone. He was fine. He just didn't like it, so he killed the guy who pushed him.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2018
  23. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are the reading comprehension skills on the part of yourself truly as inadequate as is currently being demonstrated?

    Which, yet again, is nothing more than the baseless, unfounded opinion of yourself.
     
  24. dave8383

    dave8383 Banned at Members Request Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2018
    Messages:
    4,995
    Likes Received:
    1,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Did he hit his head? No. Did he brake a bone? No. Was the pusher a threat when he shot him? No. He just didn't like getting knocked on his a$$.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2018
  25. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your necessarily ignorant opinion doesn't matter.
     

Share This Page