H.R. 822: National Right To Carry...

I will ask you the same question I have asked others and see if you know the answer;

"What was the first thing John Wesley Hardin did after getting out of prison and why"????

 

OK, Jim, before the 1934 Federal Firearms Act could a person walk into any store that sold Thompson machine guns and if they had the money walk out of that store carring it in the open??? That is a simple yes or no question.

 

State, not federal. I'm talking federal.

 

That's what the bill does.

 

It is a simple yes/no question that has nothing to do with the original claim, that folk could carry concealed until 1934 without problem. That was simply not true. Many states and cities precluded the practice. If you want to discuss the 1934 act, then limit comment to that act.

 

I thought it allowed carry in states without such a law, like Illinois...I have not kept up with the bill as I do not believe it stands a chance as long as BoBo is president.

 

In my opinion when one diiscusses gun law we have historic periods..

1792-1866 - The 2nd Amendment simply did not extend to the states and many state and local governments restricted concealed carry and the courts had no problem with it at the Federal Level

1866-about 1890 - The 14th amendment was passed so as to give the Federal Government the power to enforce BOR's protections on the states. The Federal Courts simply ignored the amendment and instead relied on their own beloved precedent (often written by the Judges still sitting).

1890-1945 - the rise of the idea of a Collective right, created out of whole cloth on law school campuses around the country. In addition, BOR's individual protections began to be 'incorporated' into state law as the Court began to understand and apply the 14th to law and as the old Judges and their immediate replacements began to die off.

1945-1998 - The era of anything goes gun law in which very poor Constitutional scholarship and no 2nd Amendment protection applied. The Judges who were educated on campuses where the then new 'collective right' was in vogue rose to Black robes and a host of very poor decisions on about every issue reigned. This, for the 2nd Amendment, ended in 1999 with the Emmerson case in which a Judge did some actual research and noted the individual right was the founders intent and most of histories practice.

1999-today - When the Court discovered the Constitution and incorporated the Second Amendment ...

 

Here is the pertinent text...

"in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--
(1) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes."

 

Moving the goalposts, are we? I was responding to what you said: "before the 1934 The National Firearms Act, we could carry how ever we saw fit". Well, unless your feet aren't somehow touching the ground in ONE of these 50 States, then you are under the auspices of your particular State's laws.

Your statement is simply not correct.

 

What sort of red herring is this?

 

o see how well you know history and the history of open carry. And it would seem that you don't know who Hardin was.

 

In other words, you prefer red herring diversions over admitting your obvious previous error.

What ever works for ya'.

 

It's a good sign that two Democrats introduced this bill in the Senate. It should pass the Senate since there is so much bipartisan support for it. Then it would be up to Obama to sign it.

National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012” introduced in U.S. Senate:

Today, March 13, U.S. Senators Mark Begich (D-Alaska) and Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) introduced S. 2188, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012.” The bill is the Senate companion to H. R. 822, which was approved by the U. S. House last November by a vote of 272-154.

S. 2188, like H.R. 822, would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed handgun in any other state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes. A state's laws governing where concealed handguns may be carried would apply within its borders.

Today 49 states either issue carry permits or otherwise authorize law-abiding people to carry firearms outside the home for self-defense. 41 states have fair “shall issue” permit systems that allow any law-abiding person to get a permit.

In contrast to dire predictions from anti-gun groups, Right-to-Carry laws have been enormously successful. Interstate reciprocity will serve as a fundamental protection of the right to self-defense by providing people with the ability to protect themselves not only in their home states, but anywhere they travel where carry concealed carry is legal.

Contrary to the false claims of some, these bills would not create federal gun registration or gun owner licensing, nor would they allow any federal agency to establish a federal standard for a carry permit or impose gun control restrictions of any kind.

These bills would have no effect on permitless carry laws, currently on the books in Arizona, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont, that allow concealed carry without a permit. In addition, Vermont residents would be able to take advantage of S. 2188 and H.R. 822 by obtaining a permit from one of the many states that offer non-resident permits.

Please contact your U.S. Senators today and urge them to cosponsor S. 2188. You can call your U.S. Senators at 202-224-3121 or send them an email by clicking here.

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Right to carry?

what kind of crap is that?

people in the US have the right to: "Own and bear".

lets get that language "constitutional" not "corporate"

 

It's called State law. What do you think "bear" means?