Hamas executed Palestinians during Israel war: Amnesty**MOD WARNING**

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  1. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    This outrageous Lie
    has been exposed innumerable times before - This cheap CANARD has long since lost its coin,
    yet Zionist Ideologues still play it, as it is the only tune that can possibly Justify their Crimes

    & if you believe it <Mod Edit>, then you believe an Absurdity -
    an Absurdity that Zonists still use to Justify their Atrocities

    Palestine was not a Nation founded by squatters who moved in with the British Mandate

    Palestine was populated well before the British Mandate
    Palestine had many vibrant Indigenous communities well before 1948
    & those communities were firmly in possession of and attached to the Land
    that they lived on for centuries before the heavily funded European Squatters
    ...................................................................... began to bully them off their land

    Palestine Before 1948
    [video=youtube;4jxTseoru6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jxTseoru6g[/video]

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    for your information:
    The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
    By Jews for Justice in the Middle East - Published in Berkeley, CA, 2001

    Jews for Justice has made this excellent resource available to people around the world.
    We have converted their booklet to a more easily copied format. Download It Here

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

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    Also &#8211; Your fall back upon the so called "Right of Conquest" is a further LIE

    As any "Right of Conquest" was proscribed in International Law after the Second World War
    when the crime of war of aggression was first codified in the Nuremberg Principles and was
    then finally Prohibited, in 1974, in the United Nations Resolution 3314

    The prohibition on territorial conquest has become a cornerstone of the International legal
    order. The United Nations Charter bans the use or threat of force as a tool of international
    relations, even when used to rectify prior injustices.
    Thus territory taken by force has the status of ill-gotten gains, and cannot be kept by the victor
    ...................................................................................................................

    And Israel being a signatory to the UN Charter is thereby bound by its Proscriptions
    and is thus shown to be Scofflaw & Illegal in its Occupation and Colonization of Palestinian Lands

    But of coarse Israel does not want Peace, Israel wants Land & could care a fig for considerations of Legality
    ................................................................................................................... so long as the fig is a Palestinian fig
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  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    neither does some Biblical promise from 3,000 years ago.
     
  3. HBendor

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    Let us first do away with your infantile display of caps, colors and inarticulate phrases...

    Second, no one stated that there were no Arabs in the land of the Jews...

    Third, The Arabs of Palestine were <never> <independent>... they might have been 400 years under the Ottoman Empire from 1517 - 1917 and 30 Years under the British Mandate from 1917 -1947...

    Fourth the Jews of that same Land fought to regain it for the Jews, they fought, they died and they were victorious, they liberated their land from the 'Mandatory power' and beat 7 Arab countries that came to destroy and annihilate their Jewish people.
    We regained our Land, we defended it and it is Jewish from time immemorial...

    I have wonderful pictures of the family and friends and I am ready to display them to counter your flimsy attempt at denying reality in Israel...
     
  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    And, Israel has signed onto international law, too.

    It doesn't matter WHAT the Palestinians did in any war. They do not lose their property rights due to war, period.

    Even Netanyahu has stated that numerous Israeli holdings in West Bank are illegal. Under the Bush "road map", Netanyahu promised to remove them.

    Every peace negotiation from Carter on has stated the 1967 borader as the starting point of NEGOTIATIONS. Yet, Israel steals more land.


    You need to start getting yourself right with the law. You are constantly attempting to justify humanitarian crime. You would like to think that ethnic cleansing is somehow OK if Israel does it!!! Who the HELL do you think you are that you can steal people's land and drive these families into displacement camps??
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    <Mod Edit>

    You are, once again, attempting to justify theft of personal property and ethnic cleansing.

    Calling some place your "motherland" does not give you ANY rights to the personal property of those living there.

    The land you specify is the "motherland" of others, too, by the way. Does that mean they have the right to steal property of Israeli citizens?

    <Mod Edit> There are non-Greeks living in Greece. People of Greek heritage do not get to go to Greece and steal their property. They don't get to drive non-Greeks out of Greece.

    <Mod Edit>
     
  6. HBendor

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    They don't lose their property rights due to war?
    Of course they do not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Provided they show proof of ownership!!!!!!!!!!

    Our PM is a human being with ideas so is Obama but they are mortal and they grow older like all of us and they change positions every four years.
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    I just want to point out that a one state solution and personal property ownership/ethnic cleansing are unrelated issues.

    There can be a one state solution, as I've pointed out in the past.

    BUT, by international law that does not justify ethnic cleansing nor does it justify theft of property.

    When a international border changes, property owners become citizens of the country within which they reside.

    That's why there are Arab property owners of land inside Israel. When those borders were defined (in 1967, for example) those persons owning property became citizens of Israel by international law.

    If Israel were to legally obtain West Bank as part of Israel, those Palestinians living in West Bank would become full Israeli citizens.

    And, theft of their property would STILL be a criminal offense.

    Somehow, you think there is a way to justify ethnic cleansing. Sorry. It does NOT work that way.

    If Israel gets West Bank, the Knesset gets their representatives and the people of West Bank get to vote. AND, they still have full rights to their property.
     
  8. WillReadmore

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    No. They did NOT lose their property rights due to war.

    That's established international law.

    Palestinians have a right of return based on that law.

    Israel wants to deny that. They have broken the law for so long that it may be impossible to hold Israel accountable to that law now. But, that doesn't change the fact that Palestinians DO have a right of return to their property.


    I'll also point out that there are non-Jews who returned and who are STILL denied use of their property by Israel, even though they are Israeli citizens and legally reside inside Israel. But, that's part of another Israeli problem - aparetheid.
     
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    1907 Hague Regulations specifically state "private property shall not be confiscated".
     
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    This is pretty much in line with how Yassar Arafat maintained control.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/arafat.html
     
  11. Gilos

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    About 850k eastern Jews lost their property rights due to war, Millions of European Jews lost their property rights due to war and its a war they didn't even start or took part in, the Arabs launched the attack on the Jews aiming to do exactly that - taking their property rights from them, and if they would have won - no UN condemnation would ever suffice IF any would been made at all for the Jews.

    No, we won against odds, the Arabs had decades to make peace with us, throu all the bloodshed we paid throu all the years offering us a deal today based on 50 years ago when they are on their knees - will not do. give us a deal based on 2015 not 1967.

    And one last thing about the "righteous majority" which you think you belong to, at one period of time in history the majority of the world thought it was a good idea to lock up Jews and separate them from the rest of humanity. public opinion means (*)(*)(*)(*) to us.
     
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    then why do Neo-Zionists constantly urge the international public to agree with their side?
     
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    They do ? then how come Israelis keep voting to the Right parties ? obviously the European naivity (at best) doesnt affect us.
     
  14. Ronstar

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    then how come the Arab and Lefist parties keep doing well?

    they will soon win the Knesset, once they work together.
     
  15. Gilos

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    Doing well compared to a corpse...

    Why didnt the Arab party sign an agreement with the "Zionist Camp " ? got any clue ?

    They will never accept us and that's just fine, better they fear us, we can't enlighten them, better learn from their own dictators.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Zionist Union isn't leftist enough for the Arabs.

    But the Arabs could form a joint-list with Meretz and the other left groups.
     
  17. Gilos

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    They refused Meretz, that's the point. there are no other left that passed the minimum.
     
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    prove it
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    Your first argument is that a crime perpetrated on a people should give the victims a free pass to perpetrate a crime on some OTHER people.

    That about as stupid as it gets.

    Yes, Israel won. That, too, does not give them permission to deny citizens their property. It certainly doesn't give them the right to proceed with ethnic cleansing operations.

    No, there is no justification for suggesting that Israel should be able to keep the property they stole. Ethnic cleansing is a crime. Those who do it should be in prison. You want to reward those doing ethnic cleansing with land and water rights they stole? No, I don't think so.

    You claim to know something about what happened in Europe. But, I disagree. You should do some more reading, because so far you haven't learned anything from that.

    Yes, you are free to consider everybody else in the world to be garbage. I'm a little lost on who would think that way, of course. It certainly doesn't sound like a credit for a whole people to feel that way.
     
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    No, it means that's the way wars were fought in 1948, the year we are talking about, the offending side was the Arabs and the stakes it raised was property rights. we simply won.

    That's reality. I think it stupid as it gets to try apply 2015 laws to 1948 in retrospective.
    What's "Israeli Arabs " ? how did they come to be ? obviously Israel gave the Arabs a chance to be part of the state but some refused and fought it, you expect Israel to let proclaimed enemies within its borders - that's insane.
    The crime was the mass murder the Arabs made on Jews and the attempt to destroy their country, not a word from you on that as if it never happened, the RESULT of that war was their loss of land, that's the price they paid, it wasn't OUR attempt to grab land - it was THIER FAILED attempt to grab ours. the proximity of both Arabs and Jews to each other left no choice but fighting for space.
    Ill just watch and learn from Europe how it deals with its "immigration" problems then, you guys are so cultural and polite when it comes to other nations asses, lets see how your ppl deal with it.
    Your opinions do not stand for "the rest of the world" but public opinions means nothing to me, we had it in the 90's when so many of us died from Hamas terror attacks, today it's the other way around - and I prefer it this way, you are wrong today as you were wrong on so many other things throu history.
     
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    The year mentioned was 1967, not 1948.

    It is Israel who is carrying out ethnic cleansing in West Bank, stealing the property, the water rights and the very means of subsistence from civilians.

    It is Israel who has been slaughtering Palestinian civilians on Gaza after perpetrating acts of war on them, especially with the deadly blockade of the last 8 years.

    Even the Pope recognizes your crimes against humanity.

    And, your comment is that you don't care what others think. So, go away. Stop trying to defend your criminality if you are so much with the "don't care".
     
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    I'm not "defending criminality" my dear, YOU are, I'm rebuking ignorance and lies on my country and I'm doing it just as you would if someone posted a lie on you - regardless of that we do what we need to do with all due respect to the Pope.
    You're one sided review on this conflict while ignoring history, ignoring the entire Arab side of it - is a shameful excuse for supporting terror in name of "Liberty".
     
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    Virulent Arabs extremist propaganda...
    Ethnic cleansing??? The Arabs nearly doubled their population...
    Stealing property??? Surely you can account for a few cases where Israel stole Land.
    Water right??? Is for everyone, find me one Arab that is dehydrated...

    This is <TakyaH> = <deceit> in full bloom... but finally the readers are now aware of what is true and surely aware of the Arab propaganda, generously disseminated to put the Jews on the defensive...
     
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    Sealing of murderers' home

    [IMRA: On the morning of 18 November 2014, two terrorists Jerusalem entered
    Kehilat Bnei Torah synagogue, in the Har Nof neighborhood of Jerusalem, and
    attacked the praying congregants with axes, knives, and a gun. They killed
    four worshippers injured seven more worshippers and critically wounded a
    responding Druze Israeli police officer, who later died of his wounds.
    Police shot dead the two terrorists.]

    PM Netanyahu's Statement on the Sealing of the Home of the Terrorist who
    Committed the Attack on a Synagogue in the Jerusalem Neighborhood of Har Nof
    (Communicated by the Prime Minister's Media Adviser)

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, last night (Wednesday, 1 July 2015),
    issued the following statement on the sealing of the home of the terrorist
    who committed the 18 November 2014 attack on a synagogue in the Har Nof
    neighborhood of Jerusalem:

    "The terrorists and those who send them will continue to pay a heavy price.
    Terrorism has a price, including to the lone attacker. We will also
    apprehend the murderers who perpetrated the recent attacks in which Malachi
    Rosenfeld and Danny Gonen were murdered."
    ________________________________________
    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
     

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