Hamas has attacked Israel

Well, there is no good solution here but how do you expect israel to deal with a militarized terrorist group which vows to kill jews and do not want to negotiate peace? Hamas also doesn’t care about palestinians, as you point out, part of their plan was to force israel to retaliate and then use it’s own citizens as human shields, hoping their own people suffer in order to make israel look bad. Do not for a second even attempt to explain hamas actions towards jews and their own people as just a reaction to israeli occupation. This is a terrorist organization which deliberately targets jews and it’s own people.

So let’s just recap. Hamas sends 2-3,000 terrorists across the border to strike harmless, innocent civilians, mostly young. They throw grenades into packed shelters, blowing civilians to bits, kill random people execution style, even children and babies. They rape women, parade their dead naked bodies and whilst they are doing this, the ‘good innocent’ Palestinians watching run to spit on the captured Israelis and chant ‘Allahu Akbar’.

After slaughtering over 1,000 jews, hamas cowardly runs back into gaza hoping IDF responds harshly and in the process creates a humanitarian crisis even if it means innocent Palestinians suffer. Hamas planned this for years so they knew very well how israel would respond and that this response would make Palestinians suffer. Hamas, in many ways, has deliberately targeted it’s own with this attack. What type of an organization is this which deliberately seeks the suffering of it’s own people in hopes of advancing their terrorist goals?

so i’ll ask you. How would you deal with hamas? They just killed 1,000 innocent israelis and now hide within their own people and use them as protection? So do nothing because going after them would result in collateral damage? This is hamas’ fault. They are cowards who happily want to see Palestinians dead in hopes of winning propaganda war and in hopes of broadening the conflict.

There is no good solution here but i believe the lesser evil is to go after them and make it quick and use overwhelming force. Kill every single hamas member. Israel has to strike a balance here. This can’t take months, has to de quick, surgical and limit collateral damage but will be impossible given how hamas uses their own people as shields. There is no negotiating with hamas. They have to be all killed.. dead.

lastly, i will say this. Palestinians apparently voted for hamas to lead them many years ago so they have some blame here. If they want a terrorist group to be their ‘government’ which doesn't care about them and want to kill jews as part of their charter, then you get what you get - death and destruction as this what hamas calls for.

I do think about the kids, innocent people in gaza who are now dealing with horrific situation but they are led by a terrorist organization which doesn’t care about them, in fact loves it when israel kills innocent palestinians. Many Palestinians support hamas so they are complicit in hamas’ actions. Hamas are a threat to israel’s security and only offer horrors to their own people. They must be eliminated.

 

Corrupt to the core...

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
The $1.9 TRILLION American Rescue Plan was supposed to be about helping *Americans* recover from idiotic COVID lockdowns.

But for some reason, $500 million of that deficit spending went to the State Department to “resettle refugees.”

$33.7 million went directly to Gaza via the UNRWA, an organization that’s been described as “effectively a branch of Hamas.”

In total, Biden has given this branch of Hamas $730 million since 2021, making the US taxpayer its largest donor in the world.

UNRWA employees in Gaza belong to the Hamas-linked trade union and a number of employees are actual Hamas fighters. UNRWA schools teach kids to hate Jews and glorify terrorism. UNRWA facilities are often used to store rockets, munitions, and serve as human shields for Hamas.

Trump defunded them in 2018 because all of this is common knowledge. But Biden’s State Department says it’s in “America’s national security interest to fund them” despite the group being guilty of war crimes.

Joe Biden’s American Rescue Plan ended up being the spark inflation, fund terrorism, and kill Jews plan.

This flow of money must immediately stop and the terrorist sympathizers responsible should be fired and held accountable.

Absolutely infuriating how DC spends our money.

 

MSNBC's Punishment for Pro-Hamas Propaganda? Ratings Death

'MSNBC is paying a serious price for leading the field in dishonest journalism that draws a false equivalence between the terrorist brutalities of Hamas and the legitimate self-defense of Israel. The network’s lost 33% of its primetime viewers since Hamas struck Israel even as Fox — which accurately reports on the situation — has seen a massive 42% jump in total viewership. It’s not hard to see why. '

The Iran/Hamas Propaganda Network

'Americans know what terrorism looks like: the rape and murder of civilians, including toddlers. The desperate pretenses of MSNBC’s hosts, like Hamas fan Andrea Mitchell, can’t convince any sane person otherwise. It was Mitchell, remember, who had the insane gall to suggest Hamas and Israel really aren’t so different to an Israeli mother whose children the terror squads are holding hostage. The woman responded with justified outrage that, no, there is no symmetry between Hamas and Israel.'

'One is the region’s strongest democracy and our closest local ally; the other is a cadre of genocidal Islamists working to further Iran’s ambitions. The network’s pulled other similar moves, like lumping together the death tolls from Gaza and Israel in an onscreen graphic.'

These dreadful people deserve ratings death.

 

Hamas always has an American cable TV station to help them push their propaganda. In the past, they used to brag about that entity being CNN who they knew would distribute their photos and messaging. It appears MSNBC wants to take that away from CNN.

 

Not surprising coming from Bibi's latest collation.

Haaretz | Israel News
'Likud Minister Formulates Emergency Regulations to Imprison Citizens Who 'Harm National Morale'

'Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi is promoting regulations that would allow him to direct police to arrest civilians, remove them from their homes, or seize their property if he believes they have spread information that could harm national morale or served as the basis for enemy propaganda.

According to draft emergency regulations titled "Limiting Aid to the Enemy through Communication" drafted by the communications minister after consultation with National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, the jurisdiction to impose limitations on publications will be sweeping.

It will apply to both the general public and the media, as well as both local and foreign media (in contrast to the stated objective to limit Al Jazeera). It will also apply to the publication of factually correct statements, at the minister's discretion.


cont
https://archive.ph/U0h5u

 

Headline of the Day:

 

Is this similar to the Gulf War story about babies ripped out of incubators:

 

White House walks back Biden's claim he saw children ...

Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › news › 2023/10/12 › whit...

3 days ago — US President Joe Biden has been forced to walk back claims that he saw images of children beheaded by Hamas [Jonathan Ernst/Reuters].

 

'IDF says number of confirmed Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza is 126'
Source: The Guardian

'The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said that the number of confirmed Israeli hostages being held in Gaza is 126.

Hamas has previously claimed that 13 hostages have been killed within Gaza by Israeli airstrikes. It said there were foreigners among those who died, without specifying their nationalities.

Reuters reports the Israeli military also said that at least 279 of its soldiers have been killed since 7 October, when Hamas launched its attack on southern Israel. The total number of Israeli casualties has been given as more than 1,300 killed.

Gaza’s health ministry has said that more than 2,300 people have been killed in Israel’s bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip since the Hamas attack, with doctors warning that thousands more could die as medical facilities in the territory run out of fuel and supplies.'

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...s-against-israel-ground-assault-on-gaza-looms

 

LIVE UPDATEFROM
THE LIVEBLOG OF SUNDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2023

Smotrich: We failed, ‘I take responsibility for what was and what will be’
By SHARON WROBEL Today, 8:59 pm 0

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  Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich at a press conference in Jerusalem on August 9, 2023. (Chaim Goldberg/Flash90)
  
  
  Finance Minister Bezalel acknowledges that he failed, and the government failed, to stop the Hamas assault that killed some 1,300 people.
  
  “I take responsibility for what was and what will be. We have to admit with pain and with a bowed head — we failed. The country’s leadership and the security system have failed in maintaining the security of our residents,” Smotrich tells a press conference.
  
  Commenting on the brutal assault by the Hamas terror group over the weekend, Smotrich says that the “massacre was the most horrifying we have known in Israel — such unimaginable cruelty that the world has not seen since the Holocaust.”
  
  
  
  Smotrich says that he has instructed to change the order of priorities in terms of budget allocation in tight of the war.
  
  “All the budgets that have not yet been paid and committed are being examined, including the coalition budgets, some of the funds have already been diverted,” says Smotrich. “I instructed to change the order of priorities.”
  

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...responsibility-for-what-was-and-what-will-be/

 

MSNBC is the US Hamas propaganda station.

29 Americans Dead, More Held Hostage By Hamas in Gaza

'At least 15 Americans are unaccounted for, the State Department said on Saturday. Previously, U.S. officials had put the number at 14 people. The first shipments of military aid arrived in Israel on Tuesday. The U.S. also moved its Ford carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean to "bolster regional deterrence efforts."'

 

And they've lost a third of their viewership because of it. You'd think it would be more, but anti-Israel sentiment is common among the far left.

 

AT HARVARD, STANDING UP FOR MURDER, RAPE, AND TORTURE: More Than 1,000 Rally on Harvard’s Campus to ‘Free Palestine’ Ahead of Expected Ground Invasion of Gaza.

'The rally came one week after surprise attacks by Hamas on Israel that killed 1,300 Israelis and saw 150 taken hostage, according to Israeli authorities. In the following days, Israel declared war on Hamas and launched counter-offensives'

Publish their names.

 

Democrats might implode if the left in the party side with Hamas and there are enough Democrats prepared to split the party and cost many moderate Democrats their seats.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11964499/new-poll-shows-strong-american-support-for-israel-amid-generational-racial-divides

Are you prepared to hand Congress and the White House to Republicans? Would Republicans pass a national law banning abortion? Would they cut Medicare and Medicaid? What about climate change?

The Squad has to expect Biden and the Party majority moderates will fight back.

The Squad.

Israel needs to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah. What should they do? The Palestinians have never agreed to live with a Jewish state. Are you suggesting Israel should give up being a Jewish state? I don't think I would want to live in an Islamic state.

I'm not impressed by the article.

 

Get ready for the Pallywood theatrics as Israel works to do to Hamas what Trump did to ISIS:

 

Fox with its collection of extreme right commentators are Putin's friends. Matt Gaetz is trying to cut help to the Ukraine. He's your Ilhan Omar.

 

You know, I'm a very social white guy who knows a LOT of people, of all races. Yet, in my entire lifetime, I can only point to a small handful of people I've known (certainly less than 10, probably fewer than 5) whom I would label as 'possible' white supremacists, and in pretty much all of those 'examples', it's a supposition on my part, not an indisputable fact. Yet, to hear you speak (and in no way is this limited to the post I am responding to), you see them literally everywhere! I'd wager you think most of us are, at least in our own private thoughts that nobody knows about, deep down inside a bigot who hates blacks and wants to do nothing more than kill everyone they see.

I think you're just delusional.

 

Remember this mean Tweet? Iran was quiet after he posted that, then came Biden…

 

I guess when you desperately want to spread hate you resort to using whatever BS is available.

Squad’ member slammed for pushing misinformation: Instinct was to ‘try to blame the Israelis

‘Squad’ member Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., drew criticism for retweeting a photo of dead children with the caption "CHILD GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE."

The photo showed seven dead children wrapped in white and claimed they were part of the "614 Palestinian children murdered by the Israeli [IDF] forces."

A community note from X, formerly known as Twitter, stated that the picture was from a 2013 sarin gas attack in Ghouta, Syria, and not from the Israel-Hamas war.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/squad-member-slammed-pushing-misinformation-instinct-blame-israelis

 

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I think you don't understand what White supremacists are

 

Stop using this thread to change the subject you have plenty of other threads to talk about internal US politics. If you persist in rerailing the thread I will ask the moderator to intervene. Thank you.

 

Hamas has no political wing. Please do your research. You are mixing it up with the PA. Hamas is entirely made up of terrorists. The fact that some pose as representatives politically as well does not make them the non militant wing. This is the problem when discussing Hamas. Many have no clue what it is and what it stands for. You can not be in Hamas if you do not follow its Charter. Please read it. To say Hamas has a non militant wing is absolutely false. Thank you.

 

To anyone who wants to agree with the above:

1. Hamas has attacked Israel continuously for over 20 years in a state of war. Israel trying to defend itself from that is not arrogance, its called survival. Any nation continuously attacked by terrorists does what is necessary to prevent its people from dying. To use the word pogrom to equate what Israel does to survive is an attack on Jews in Europe who actually suffered from pogroms including my grandmother.

You insult Jews. You claim you are challenging Israeli policies and you expropriate the term pogrom. With pogroms Christian CITIZENS went into Jewish villages, raped, tortured and lit people on fire, precisely what Hamas did. Which Israeli citizen has a Charter that calls for the extermination of Jews world wide which Hamas does? Why do you try deflect from what Hamas stands for and what it actually does to not just Israeli citizens but its own Palestinians and try accuse Israel of pogroms. What next do you want do engage in holocaust inversion as well. The tactic of describing Israel's attempt to defend itself as what Hamas does is worn. Its trotted out on every anti Israeli response and it does not and can not deflect from what Hamas does and did.

Are you saying Jews can not go to the Temple Mount? Do you even know what the Temple Mount is? Are you suggesting only Muslims can have access to it?

Why when you know what Hamas did why do you try deflect and suggest Israel defending its people is taking people's eyes out and smashing their faces, etc. Why do you spread such claims when you know what Hamas did. Do you think trying to demonize Israel for defending its people by deliberately citing false inflammatory comments helps the Palestinian people? Do you think it deflects from what Hamas has done?

The wall is not a terrifying obstacle. It is in fact an obstacle for terrorists. Trying to again spin its terrifying when you know what it was built for is lame. Does the wall spit out fire? Would you terrify a rapist if you fought back? How far do you want to go in your absurd attempts to spin?

 

Please do not appropriate the death of Israelis at the hands of Hamas as a platform to engage in Maga attacks on Americans you think you disagree with and call Libs.

The actions of Hamas speak loudly. So do Trump's attempts to blame Biden and Netanyahu for it and call Hamas.

Please do not hijack this thread to engage in Maga diatribes. Thank you.

By the way, this Jew is a moderate. I neither hate Palestinians nor Republicans. Many Republicans stand by Israel as do Americans of all political beliefs and we thank them. We thank genuinely anyone who supports our right to have a Jewish state. We do not ask for them to hate Palestinians nor do we want war with them.


Let us be clear on this subject matter. Hamas is a terrorist organization with a Charter to rid the world of Jews. That is what its Charter stands for, that is what its leader said just yesterday and has repeated continuously since this latest attack.

We are past the point where people can try deflect from what Hamas did using its people as a pretext to argue Israel can't defend itself and must sit back and ignore what Hamas did. Its too late.That tactic of using the death of innocent Palestinians to try avoid being responded to by Israel by Hamas is not ever again going to work. Be very clear-anti Israelis can use innocent Palestinians as a pretext all they want to avoid holding Hamas to moral accountability for what it did, but Israel will. It has no choice. To do otherwise is suicide.


Hamas sentenced its own people to collective death over 20 years ago. It has made it clear every Palestinian is a martyr and each death of a Palestinian is better than allowing Jews to live. Read its charter.


No more deflections. Hamas and the Arab League of Nations are morally culpable for the death of Palestinians by starting a war they could not end and making it clear they will use Palestinians as pawns/

No deflection blaming Israel for existing and defending its people has worked.

Instead of trying to deflect from what Hamas and the Arab League of Nations and PA have done to Palestinians and blame Israel, the discussion now needs to focus on what the Arab League of Nations will do to disarm terrorists and assist peaceful Muslims achieve a peaceful co-existence with Israel.

I ask any of you, name one current leader in Palestine who is willing to stand up for peace? Who? Abbas? He stood up in his assembly and chanted Death To Israel. Who? None exist and therein lies the problem. People point the finger at Israel to deflect from the collective failure of the Arab League of Nations and terrorists and their treatment of Palestinians.

 

The kicking out narrative is an out and out spin. It ignores the following:

1-850,000 Jews were expelled from Arab League nations in 1948-1949 with another 100,000 or so after that;
2-Jordan was illegally created with 80% of land promised for a Jewish state violating an agreement between Muslims and Jews in the Middle East for two states side by side-that state was created and still refers to itself as a PALESTINIAN STATE-its charter prohibited Jews as citizens and it offered automatic citizenship to Palestinians until 1967;
3-the term Palestinian used to describe nationality only was created by Arafat in 1967 after he was expelled to Tunisia after failing to kill Hussein in the Black Sabbath uprising and take over Jordan-until then the West Bank was illegally annexed by Jordan and no one in the Arab world complained;
4-the West Bank and where pre 1967 Israel was- were then to be split in 2 by the Balfour declaration-Jews notwithstanding illegal Jordan already being a Jew free Palestinian state created illegally agreed-the Arab League said no, not one damn inch to a Jew which then saw them launch a war of 1948-1949 to as they said wipe out of Jews of Palestine and drive them into the sea-the pre 1967 border was a defacto border-it came about because that is where the Arab League armies ran away from;
5-since 1949, Iraq Syria and Lebanon have remained in a declared state of war with Israel;
6-Iran is in a declared state of war with Israel;
7-UAE, Egypt and Jordan while they have treaties with Israel do not recognize it as a Jewish state;
8-Mr. Abbas of the PA has made it clear he will never agree to a Jewish state where Israel is and his state must be Jordan, Israel and the West Bank;
9-Hamas has the same beliefs as the PA but state their caliphate state will then form a greater caliphate to take over the entire world and rid the world of Jews;
10-Israel left Gaza and was attacked the day they left and have been attacked continuously since they left over 20 years ago;
11-Gaza Strip in fact was created as an open air prison to collectively punish Palestinians for not fighting Jews in 1948;
12-with the exception of Jordan no Arab League nation has ever offered a Palestinian citizenship and refuses to repatriate the 850-900,000 Jews expelled from their nations forced to flee to Israel;
13-in fact no Arab League nation has ever taken in Muslim refugees from Muslim conflicts, i.e., only Israel took in Muslim refugees from Yugoslavia;
14-the legal definition of a refugee is someone who themself were displaced by war-the term was changed by the UN to apply to "Palestinians" differently, in fact the Arab League of Nations, and the UN say with "Palestinians" anyone not displaced by the 1948 war born outside Israel after 1948 is automatically a Palestinian-they need not show they are even descended from a displaced person who is Muslim from the 1948 war, as long as they claim to be Palestinian, they are; they are the only people whose descendants can call themselves refugees and are not required to prove their claimed status;
15-in fact the majority of people born on the West Bank are descendants of Muslims who moved to the West Bank from Arab League nations after 1949 and took the land from actual Muslims born on the West Bank-in fact so much so, Arafat blew up the Land Titles office on the West Bank to hide this fact;
16-the standard anti Israel script is Jews invaded Palestine as colonialists-in fact all the Arab League nations were colonies of France, Britain or run by ex Nazis in 1949-Jews did not just come from Europe-they were already born and living in pre 1967 Israel and on the West Bank for over 4,000 years continuously dating back prior to Muslims and Christians and the people returning are descendants of the original Hebrews and thus are aboriginal to the land and yet portrayed as invaders-when Muslims from outside Palestine moved and settled there they are now called Palestinians and no one calls them outsiders like Jews of Israel-Jews are not allowed to have a Law of Return in their nation but Muslims can and do have a law of return for Palestinians and always have;
17-Israel is an apartheid state because it offers a refuge/law of return for Jews, but over 150 other countries including the entire Arab League offer national laws of return and no one points that out as apartheid-no one points out the Muslim nations that do not separate Islam from the state government but claim Israel does not separate state from religion when in fact it does and the rights of Muslim Israelis are clearly delineated-not one legal right Muslim Israeli citizens have in Israel is offered to the Jews left in those countries;
18-the Muslims of Israel have a far higher standard of living than any Jew in a Muslim country (with the exception of a tiny percentage of Jews in Morocco);
19-Jews are defined as dhimmi and kafir in the Muslim world and as second class citizens with inferior rights and in fact forced to live in segregated ghettoes and yet no anti Israel acknowledges that as apartheid
20-Israel offered 98% of the land on the West Bank to Palestinians for a second nation-Arafat stated after being caught on radio thinking he was not being recorded, that the world should have known when he negotiated for peace with Israel it was a sham, it was a stalling tactic-he said he deliberately lied as a Muslim war technique to stall for time and that he would never settle for anything but all of Jordan, Israel, and the West Bank and NO JEWS in that country
21-the West Bank has never been part of any sovereign nation, not even Jordan when Jordan annexed it from 1949 to 1967;
22-there is an assumption made no Jew has a right to land on the West Bank-its a legal assumption not based on international law or property law but UN Resolutions proclaiming the IDF can not "occupy" the West Bank-the actual law can not define the physical presence of the IDFa legal occupation-an army can only legally occupy a sovereign nation, not land never part of a sovereign nation-most people do not understand that and think physical occupation automatically means legal occupation-in fact if Israel does anything contrary to international law it is that it allows Israelis on the West Bank to be citizens of Israel but runs a military governorship of the land outside those settlements in regards to Muslims. Israel claims the PA in fact governs those Muslims and the IDF simply acts as a defense force preventing Jews and Muslims from fighting each other on the West Bank and preempting terrorists from entering Israel-the assumption IDF can not defend itself and must allow terrorists into Israel from the West Bank is legally incorrect;
23-in fact Israel has repeatedly suggested and has offered to negotiate all issues but has given up as there is no Palestinian who will discuss recognizing Israel and Mr. Abbas the one portrayed as moderate says the only thing he will negotiate is how to return Israel to him. He has stated over 400,000 ultra Orthodox Jews who live in Hebron and have lived there for over 4,000 years and do not even recognize Israel as a state will be forcefully expelled when his country is created. He does not say where to.


Ah yes all those facts that anyone can go verify but the majority of so called Palestinian experts do not care about.

In fact I would argue the majority of anti Israelis have never been to the Middle East, couldn't find Israel, Gaza or the West Bank on a map let alone know what the difference is between an Israeli and Palestinian or Muslim or Jew.