Handgun permits?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. Vegas giants

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    Studies disagree with you. So do I
     
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    What studies? I would love to see a single study that proves a piece of paper stopped a violent crime.
     
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    Well the Luca study was quite clear on how gun control reduces suicides and homicides. But it won't matter to you
     
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    So you have nothing? Theoricals based on comoletely different cultures?
     
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    What about crimes that result in death in which firearms are not used ?
    Rapists that infect their victim with AIDS ?

    Or serial killers that prefer to torture their victims slowly over days, weeks, then when they feel like it, break the victims neck, or bleed them to death slowly..... No guns used, some Psychopaths actually hate guns, they prefer more painful methods of death.
     
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    Uh.....no. The Luca study was done in the US. I find it surprising that if you saw a former marine with a gun in his mouth you would say not my problem". To each his own I suppose
     
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    And yet suicides were quite common before anyone had guns, and I can tell you, in N.Y.C suicides are seen every day,


    1. Number one most popular method of suicide is hanging.

    2. Jumping in the path of a Subway train or in the path of a City M.T.A. going your way Bus.

    3. tall buildings and bridges,

    4. poisons and drugs.

    5. Last on the suicide hit parade are firearms, and they are the messiest suicides, especially shotgun suicides and also including death by COP, people that want to die and do something to induce Police to have to shoot them, investigations often prove the victim had been planning this a long time.
     
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  8. Vegas giants

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    We can't stop all suicides. But we can reduce them
     
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    another faith based assertion that doesn't even meet the smell test

    that bogus study claimed 1700 HOMICIDES could be prevented with waiting periods

    we know the waiting periods don't apply to killers who

    1) obtain their guns through avenues other than purchases at licensed dealers (that means the 80%+ of homicides committed by people who could not legally buy a gun at the time they killed are not affected-which is about 8000-9000 murders a year)

    2) doesn't impact people who owned a gun before they decided to kill someone else illegally

    Indeed, the only murders that could possibly be prevented by a waiting period is someone woh

    a) did not own a gun
    b) decided to buy a gun to murder
    c) was delayed and in that 3-5 day period changed their mind

    since gunshot murders are less than 10,000 a year and since at least 80% of those are committed by felons, that leaves the 2000 or less that are left where a waiting period could theoretically apply. But after you filter out all those killings by someone who COULD buy a gun the day they killed but already had the gun they used for more than 3=5 days, you are clearly at number many times smaller than 1700

    that is why that faith based "finding" doesn't even pass the smell test. and VEGAS has refused to even discuss this problem with his claims,
     
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    harassing honest gun owners is an extremely silly and inefficient way. since you push for the least feasible and least effective means, it proves your real motivation is based on what those laws clearly do cause-harassment of gun owners
     
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    This post is full of baseless assumptions that have no evidence to support them. The science is clear. Gun control saves lives
     
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    You present unsupported opinion. The science is clear. Gun control saves lives
     
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    Really ?

    I spent ten years on Ambulances, see my Avatar ?
    Rolled on suicides everyday, I saw the victims personally, the ones that hurt me the most were the children, some as young as 9, and hanging was the method.
    I know what I have seen of suicides.
    I have seen suicides in many other Countries too.
     
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    Why would I need a permit when this is all done every time I purchase a firearm anyway?
     
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    a faith based claim that cannot be proven or even meet a preponderance of the evidence standard

    what we can prove is that the laws vegas pushes will harass honest gun owners. that is undisputed. and I suggest that is why he really pushes them.
     
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    Ron apparently thinks the all the USA should be burdened by the idiotic laws NYC imposes on its gun owning citizens.
     
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    I am sorry that your religion does not allow you to see the science. Religion does that
     
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    I have worked with suicidal people for 27 years. I think I know a thing or two
     
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    Oh? When did I say that? Or are you just projecting youjr own violent ways?
     
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    Working with you sounds like it would drive people to suicide.
     
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    And that is not your problem.....even if they are marines
     
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    So, those denied people still obtain firearms illegally, and murder people, also illegally, and still go to jail when caught.
     
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    Not my problem is your quote.....not mine
     
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    Let's make it a little harder for them to do that
     
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    What in the Hell are criminals and child molesters doing running amok in a free society?
     
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