Harvard Grad Student Facing Eviction over Legally Owned and Stored Firearms

Prove it.... Show me where the person that wishes he was her land lord so he could "remove her guns" would have the rights to remove them. I await your intelligent answer with references to LEGAL GROUNDS to do so....

 

What are you going on about now! The final sentence in the final paragraph states, quote, "Subsequently, it appears that Leyla has decided to remain in the house - which we are fine with provided that the firearms are locked and kept in a secured gun safe or container". Do you understand that last sentence?

And I repeat again, "So that deals with your reply to my first sentence in my post you quoted so how about giving an answer to the main part of my post?". You've ignored that twice now

 

And repeat what truth and justice & ibobbrob have already said?

 

Do you know me? Do you know my background in law? Do you know the law regarding this in every state? Do you know the law in MA in regards to land lord rights and gun ownership? I'd bet you are just spewing off at the mouth and have no idea that while there are laws regulating renters in SOME states, MA doesn't have specific laws which regulate tennant ownership and IF it isn't specifically written into the lease ahead of time, there isn't JACK the land lord can do until the lease is renegotiated. Change my mind if you so dare..... Educate me if I'm ignorant... you choose the analogy.... In other words, prove me wrong.

 

Only from what you've written.

Is that an important factor, do you think?

What do every state have to do with it?

I am very sorry if you being wrong upsets you but that's not my fault.

 

Do you understand what a paragraph is? Read the ENTIRE THING.... It clearly says they don't know if the guns are locked or not! You can't tell me you know that the guns were not secured. You can't tell me that there is ANY proof. There is an email from the PISSED roommates that obviously says they DONT know.

And WHAT do you want a reply about? I don't have time to reread the entire 28 pages of this thread to figure out what you want me to answer. Simply ask your question.... I'm not dodging anything at all and never have.

 

So...
Part one - that would be a NO
Part two- That would be a YES
Part three- Because the laws are different in every state, and not realizing that is obviously proof that you have NO idea what you're talking about.
Part four- I'm not upset, and I'm pretty sure the laws of MA agree with what I've been saying.
Unless her lease specifically outlined no gun ownership BEFORE she signed it, there isn't JACK this landowner or the other roommates can do at this time. MA law doesn't have laws that specifically outline or prohibit these acts. (IF there are no prohibitions, no laws are broken) If you can prove that incorrect, I'll admit I was wrong, otherwise I will continue to consider what you say as your opinion.

 

Do I know what a paragraph is, yes I do. Now perhaps you can post the exact last sentence word for word from the last paragraph that you mentioned. I presume you know what a paragraph is?

And as for what you have ignored now three times, here it is just for you:

 

They have only said they WOULD.... I want you to show me where MA law allows THIS landowner to legally remove her rights to own a gun. If it's not in the lease, he and the roommates are up the creek!

 

The entire EMAIL: (I'm not about to waste time typing that)

Now! READ the second sentence in the last paragraph! The final sentence SAYS that they are ok with her staying, and that they simply want her to keep them locked up.... however, they are clearly saying they don't know.... Then, even you said AFTER the inspection they WERE stored in accordance to MA state law, which clearly requires the guns to be stored under lock and key.
It's not a question of IF they are stored properly..... We know they are stored properly yet the roommates continue to attack her about the topic.

 

As for what you say I am ignoring:

I assume you are asking me to answer the question of why I keep my guns out of reach of my son, rather than just leaving my guns in an unlocked room?????
Correct me if I'm wrong....

IF that is the question that you are referring to, again correct me if I am wrong...
My son is 9 months old, so he is not walking just yet. My guns are not locked up in some safe. My home defense firearm is loaded, chambered, and decocked. (Not that you would understand any of that), but... because of the type of gun I keep for home protection, I know that the only way he could do harm with that gun is if he asked his mother to pull the trigger for him even though I keep it the way I do.

 

So you're saying that 9 month son would not be capable of pulling a trigger so what about when he is able to pull a trigger. I was not referring to a 9 month old and neither was you. Here is your sentence "Now, after I have had a little one, I am more aware of those guns, and when he is able to walk and until he is old enough to realize the responsibility that comes with guns, yea.... They will be out of reach."

You are spinning in circles. I repeat "Since you wrote it's not rocket science to keep a child out of a room then why don't you just leave your guns in an unlocked room instead of keeping them out of reach of your little one!"

 

My god you clearly write crap then ignore the crap you write when it's pointed out!

Here is your post ;
"You obviously didn't read the final paragraph of the email. The person that penned that email clearly has NO intention of living in peace with her because they are not happy about the guns being in the house."

And here is the very last sentence in the "final paragraph": "Subsequently, it appears that Leyla has decided to remain in the house - which we are fine with provided that the firearms are locked and kept in a secured gun safe or container".

 

You have failed to address the points made by truth and justice & ibobbrob.

 

Let me put it like this so you can MAYBE understand it.... IN MY HOUSE, I DO NOT keep my guns locked up. Never have, and never will. You seem to want to put words in my mouth. SO I REPEAT, MY GUNS ARE NOT LOCKED UP! They are also not laying in the floor where my son can play with them in the middle of the living room.
If I were to have company that brings a young child that CAN get into things and might WOULD get his/her hands on the gun, I'd be quick to let them know that there are guns in my house (not that I would have to tell anyone that came to my house, they ALL know)
As for this situation, we are talking about college students living in a joint apartment with roommates. How many times have you taken your young child to a place like this and just "turned them loose" to ramble through other people's rooms? I'd like to think that would be common sense, but then again.....

 

It just takes one child to explore a room and find a loaded gun in that girl's room, makes no difference if that gun is in an unlocked draw or under the bed or where ever. They were still within reach.

And as for letting guests know, that girl was away during the weekend when those loaded and unlocked guns were found so there was no one there who could tell any guests that there are guns in the house since none of the flatmates even knew that guns were in the house until they found them.

 

So you’re saying when/if you visit people you turn your young child loose to plunder through other people’s homes unattended? (To make it worst, the home in this case was a multiple tenant housing unit)
That makes perfect sense.
See, this is where the “It’s not rocket science to watch your child” comes into play.
No responsible adult is going to allow their child to roam through other people’s houses and stumble upon a gun. It could be medications, bathroom cleaners, a pocket knife, or any other potientially harmful LEGAL object and the outcome would be the same for a child. BUT, we all know that isn’t the real problem here.
Do you propose laws to keep your bleach locked in a safe, how about your kitchen knives? You choose to try and make the gun problem, but it’s not and anyone with any sense can see through it.
Do accidents happen, yes, but they happen with other things as well. Things that you don’t scream about because you’re scared of.
Gun owners need to be responsible, but don’t act like EVERYONE doesn’t need to be responsible. The unknown is WHY you need to be responsible, which is a key reason why gun owners treat ALL guns as though they are loaded.

 

Any responsible parent would keep all potentially harmful objects such as medication or bleach completely out of reach of children. ie they would be stored in a locked container. And that bleach or medication is not a danger to anyone else but the child. And who is saying that every visitor is a responsible parent who will keep a look out for their child? Why should the other tenants be at risk from that child finding a loaded gun.

You're embarrassing in your desperate attempt to defend an irresponsible gun owner. Children, especially boys, are and have always been fascinated by guns. I grew up playing war. I don't know any children who have that same fascination with bathroom cleaning products.

 

So the rest of the world needs to watch out for 'your' child? Your child, your responsibility.

The roommates went looking for a gun, based on where she came from and a hat she had. The gun did not walk out in common space and announce itself, so the had to go search for it. Talk about violating someone's right to privacy.....

 

And how about the irresponsible flat mates in the household who don't care if their guest's children rummage through bedrooms? Why should my life be at risk from those children finding a loaded and unlocked gun?

And as for your second paragraph try reading the thread instead of just jumping in and flogging a dead horse!

Edit : you clearly have reading comprehension problems too!

 

You'll note I was in this thread a few pages back, but enjoy yourself.

 

And that gun is not a threat to ANYONE ELSE BUT A CHILD either..... And IF you would watch your children and not let them rummage through other people's houses when you have no idea if there are harmful items within reach, be it a container of bleach or a gun, then the problem is solved.
You and the rest of the people fighting this and calling the girl irresponsible are clearly not capable of understanding logic so talk about a dead horse!

As for your misinformation about cleaning agents not being the same thing as a gun....
According to the CDC, there are over 300 children per DAY that's 109,500 per year treated for poisoning from everyday household chemicals, and two per day or 730 per year die from those poisonings. In contrast, there was only 439 TOTAL people killed by accidental shootings (That's not just kids by the way) for the entire year of 2015 (Most recent data available)
In a country where there are well over 400 million guns and it's estimated that there are guns in 1 in three houses that are NOT locked up.... I'd say that blows a hole in your argument that "Its for the kids"
SO... Next time you choose to argue silly points about keeping people from having their RIGHTS, you might want to check yourself.... If this was truly about saving people's lives, you wouldn't want people to NOT have a gun in their home (Especially since they save more lives that they take) rather it be locked in a case or stored in their private rooms. This is, and has always been about some snotty little snowflakes that are scared of a gun, just like those arguing AGAINST this girl's rights.

Poisoning Deaths Source: https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/poisoning/index.html
Accidental Gun death Source: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html

 

Don't worry, these people would argue that the world is flat if they thought it would keep people from exercising their rights to bear arms.... They will try to hide that fact by saying "Oh we are ok as long as they are locked up, unloaded with ammo in another house, the firing pins removed, and buried underneath 10 feet of concrete..... Forget any real facts, statistics, or data that proves anything different..... That's all fake news made up by the NRA....
They don't want people to have guns. It ensures you can protect yourself.

 

Do you struggle to read or do you just post sentences that are irrelevant to quoted posts? What bit of "Why should the other tenants be at risk from that child finding a loaded gun." do you not understand? Have children never shot anyone or do they just shoot themselves?

And what bit of "And who is saying that every visitor is a responsible parent who will keep a look out for their child?" do you not understand?

Perhaps you can point out how a child finding a cleaning agent is a risk to anyone else in that student house? You know, the topic of this thread. Are these children going to force feed these cleaning agents to those other students in the house?

 

You really are thick aren't you.... Facts don't matter at all to people that just spew their feelings rather than what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and FACTS!
What you THINK happens and what statistics PROVE happens is totally different. I've shown that with real statistical data from a reputable source.... You have shown nothing but your biased opinion that guns are bad and because something "Might" happen (although it happens about as often as a tornado building a house) we should violate someone's constitutional rights.
Yep! That makes sense to a liberal.

You want me to point out how a child finding a cleaning agent is a threat to the others in the house.... Well, lets see... They could accidentally mix ammonia and bleach and create toxic chloramine vapors.... Oh but that's not likely to happen is it..... No, and neither is it likely that a child will find a gun in a private room of a flatmate (especially when you don't even know where the gun WAS... "You're assuming") and go on a shooting rampage!
Could an accident happen? Sure, but the chances of that happening is STATISTICALLY zero!
The latest data shows ALL total accidental gun deaths (including hunting accidents and other accidentals as well) was a mere 489 people.... The US population is 327.8 Million people. That means you have a .0001492% chance of being accidentally killed by a gun. If you would factor in the fact that there are many of those accidental deaths which include things such as hunting, you would see that number plummet to even a lower percentage.
Prove me wrong with REAL numbers or just ask more of your silly questions....The choice is yours.