Hatred against Muslims

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Ronstar, Oct 4, 2014.

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Hatred against Muslims?

  1. Caused by reasonable & rational concerns regarding Muslim behavior in our lands

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  2. Irrational fear, motivated by bigotry & intolerance

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you enjoy dishonestly putting words into peoples' mouths?

    perhaps you should just debate with yourself then,
     
  2. Capitalism

    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's basically what you're saying, they are too afraid to do anything so they are not going to do it.

    But in reality if extremism is ever at that point in this country I'd expect to see you at my side.

    Band together and the majority will always be stronger than the minority.
     
  3. smevins

    smevins New Member

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    Don't know. Probably has more to do with most people having no or primarily superficial interactions with Muslims on that front. I think part of it is economic resentment as well. Muslims have done very well economically in the US with many of them pulling themselves up from their bootstraps.
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And anyone who thinks that all of Islam is militaristic, barbaric, intolerant and a theat to freedom is being an utter ignoramus. If we are ever to truly defeat the forces that give rise to al-Qaeda and ISIS we MUST have the help of the 1.5 Billion of the world's population that is muslim. A bigoted attitude turns them against us, and our own bigotry is thus a greater threat than the terrorists.
     
  5. Battle3

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    What?!?

    Where the Jews beheading people in Europe? Were Jews waging a literal religious war in the 1930's, cutting a swath of rape, torture, murder, and depravity across the continent? Were Jews exporting terrorism across the globe? How many teenage girls did the Jews kidnap and sell into slavery in the 1930's? In how what city did the Jews run a pedophile ring for a decade, preying on non-muslim little girls?

    Read the koran, speak to muslims, spend some time in muslim countries. Islam is not peaceful, islam is exactly doctrinally implemented by the likes of ISIS and the taliban.

    And so what about "peace loving" muslims. They are irrelevant. Like the majority of Germans who sat idle while Hitler murdered and led them to war, these "peace loving law abiding" muslims sit by while their depraved brethren butcher and torture across the globe.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you clearly don't know many Muslims.

    I know more than a few. They are very nice people.

    the bigotry of this statement, speaks volumes.
     
  7. birddog

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    Most Muslims are not to be trusted because they condone the Radical Muslims, or do not speak out against them. The only good Radical Muslim is a dead one!
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    right-wing Conservative bigotry, in its purest form.
     
  9. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

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    There's a reason that Hitler admired Islam.
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet never converted to Islam, not even in secret.
     
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    If someone has reasonable and rational concerns about islam ---that does not equal "hate".
     
  12. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

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    I never said that he believed in Islam. I admire Napoleon, but I'm not Bonapartist.
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Maybe, but it was the Jesuits that Himmler used as a model for the SS.
     
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    not all Muslims\Christians look alike, so how can you tell, sounds more like the haters hate middle Eastern looking people regardless or their religion

    fanatical Christians attack fellow Christians for "looking" Muslim

    http://www.northjersey.com/opinion/on-this-ground-zero-tolerance-1.320911?page=all


     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    True enough, especially if you admit that many of those with these reasonable and rational concerns are muslims. Recognizing the irony that one of our greatest arab "friends", Saudi Arabia, is also the largest philosophical supporter of ISIS is a reasonable and rational concern. Saying that we ought to deport Barry the Barber because he came from Syria before he gained American citizenship is not
     
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    The levels of extremism among muslims are such that about half of them are extremists. This number can vary a lot but thats what it is on average, that is just a statistical fact. Statistics trumps anecdotal evidence. Contrary to popular belief, extremism is not present merely among poor or uneducated or third world ones, neither is it a small minority making the majority look bad. So hatred against muslims is not at all dispoportionate to the threat they possess, in fact the opposite is true.

    North american muslims do seem like the best integrated of them to me, tough.
     
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    Politics and images on tv (most of it seems propaganda) let people believe things and start waking them out of a previous state of mind, to force them to politicallly become active or taking part of a protest march (it sets them in motion, mindwise and physically, so in a state of 'war')

    Hate can be used as a weapon to cause hate in others by using provocation and distorted images and politics, or can be used to reach a state of awakening in people. Someone can wake up at the moment that person starts to see how propaganda and politics are forcing change in attitude and/or state of mind.

    This is how a revolutionary process start to grow inside people's minds.
    People's minds are actually 'militarized'. Emotions, state of defense and attack attitudes are amplified by propaganda, politics and small awakenings one after the other.
    But your mind cannot see or sense that change, because it's a slow process, so everybody can grow into that state, to get out of that state is very difficult, it needs control over fear and emotion.
     
  18. tecoyah

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    All it really takes to create dislike or even hatred of a thing is a single example. If someone of something caused damage to something or someone you care about even once...it is enough to form negative opinion of whatever it is. In the case of Islamic culture, there are ample and terrible examples of very many things to create an impression of horror.

    The ways in which women are treated.
    The backward direction it seems to guide societal change.
    The brutality exposed by the most extreme followers.
    The extreme nature of punishment under law.
    The ignorance of mind so clearly displayed.

    The question for me would not be why do people hate Islam.....but what is there to like about it?
     
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    Yet they are still extremists. You dont need to go blow up yourself to be one. Just ask them about their opinion on adulterers, apostates or homosexuals and they will often reveal their true extremist face.

    Opinions like the Ronstar has are usualy based on ignorance and naivity of the mindset of religous extremism. He thinks that just because someone is nice to him and others and does not commit crimes he is a nice person in general. That could not be further from the truth. Often the craziest people are those we would the least expect to be so, you just need to trigger them in the right way to reveal it, because under usual circumstances it just doesnt come up. But ask them about what should be done to an adulterer and suddenly that nice muslim barber that was always so kind to you often turns out to be a violent psychopath. Morality is relative, they are still good people from their own point of view!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Background
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Support_for_stoning
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom#Identity

    Everyone who voted the first option should at least read these paragraphs from wiki. "Tiny minority of extremists" is a lie.
     
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    Just honesty and common sense, try it some time! :roll:
     
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    Where did you get that idea? Hitler looked down on Muslims and Arabs just as he looked down on Jews.. He refused to shake hands with the Mufti and only granted him a ten minute audience

    The difference was that there were almost no Arabs or Muslims in Europe back then and Hitler wanted to control all of the oil corridor from the Caspian to the Persian Gulf in a plan called Operation Orient.
     
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    If Hitler had waited 5 years there wouldn't be any Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Russians,Ukranians,Yugo's,Gypsies,Homosexuals, or Latinos.

    I know it's bad to say, but it probably would've created world peace.
     
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    What would have happened in five years?
     
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    At the rate of growth for his military? The advancement of their technology to nuclear? (They almost created the first nuke, I guess they did I was unaware of this) http://www.unmuseum.org/nbomb.htm

    They had jet's before anybody else and stealth technology, the Helten 2-29 is a prime example.

    He could have taken over, but he got to big for his britches. (probably still could've happened if he didn't get into a pissing contest with Stalin at Stalingrad)
     
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    Hitler needed petroleum...
     

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