Here is what would happen if President Trump successfully cancel the election.

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  1. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    The Constitution specifies that the president's term legally ends on January 20th, at the end of their fourth term. There is no provision of the Constitution or the law or any Court ruling that would change this. if the election is not held and the president term ends the president still must leave office. There is no provision that would allow an extension of the presidency if an election is not held.

    if the election is not held Trump's presidency still legally ends on January 20th 2021 at noon. there will also be no vice president because Mike pence is term will end at the same time as trumps.

    This means the succession of the president will have to follow the 22nd amendment. the next in line is the speaker of the house but if the election is canceled there is no House of Representatives serving because they all are elected every two years and so no one would be elected to take office and their terms will have ended leaving their seats empty. so this means that Nancy pelosi who is the current speaker of the House would not take the presidency, this will only change if state legislators decided to appoint Representatives to take the seats which they can legally do. Democrat-controlled states have a majority of seats in the House of Representatives which means they would still have the majority, and would likely appoint Nancy pelosi as speaker of the House, allowing her to then be sworn in as president under the 22nd amendment.

    If no appointments are made to the house, there is still two-thirds of the Senate left which did not house terms ending that year. Under of this situation, if all the states with senators up for re-election will removed then the majority would still be Republican and the oldest Republican would most likely be appointed as president pro tempore, and he would take office I am not sure who the oldest Republican senator is, but traditionally the oldest member of the majority takes the position.

    Now just like the appointments of Representatives State governors could also appoint temporary senators to take office until the next election can be held. the vast majority of governors are Democrats and they would most likely appoint Democrats giving the send it to the Democratic party. governor's can appoint temporary senators at any point if a seat iseis lopen because of retirement death iimpeachment or other reasons. This would mean that the president pro tempore would be a Democrat.



    The two most likely presidents if in the election is Nancy pelosi. Chances are that state legislators are not going to allow the House of Representatives to simply stand empty they would have point temporary Representatives until the next election, and Nancy pelosi would most likely take back her position of speaker of the house and therefore would be the next in line to take over as president under the 22nd amendment, in the event that state governments choose not to appoint representatives to the house the chances are that the Democratic governors will appoint senators, since they are legally entitled to do so under the constitution in the case have a seat being empty, and it gives him a reason to steal the majority away from the Republicans, as well as the presidency since their president pro tempore would take over as president if there was no speaker of the house.




    so there you have it Trump's plans to cancel the election would backfire he thinks he would simply stay as president but that is not what would happens since his presidency legally ends with a very specific date stated in the Constitution.

    Trump is too stupid and blind to realize that he would be placing the entire government under the control of the Democrats if he tried to cancel the election and his Republican cronies are too stupid to realize this either because they openly support the idea. If they do successfully cancel the election, Trump is still restricted by the and 20th and 22nd amendment and his term ends on January 20th 2021, so there would be no president no vice president no speaker of the house, unless the states choose to reappoint representatives two temporary seats, and the Senate would possibly beat 1/3 down unless senators are appointed as well.

    The only plausible scenarios all results in Democratic majorities resulting from appointments since Democrats control the majority of seats in the house and immaturity of governors who would be appointing senators, and we all know that politicians are going to put party before anything else and so they would not hesitate to a real point representatives and senators.

    So all of those who support the president's plan to cancel the election, you'd better be willing to deal with President pelosi as a result.
     
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  2. StillBlue

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    Actually, the general election need not be held. States are responsible for choosing their electoral college representatives and presumably could go ahead with plan B. They would be counted by the newly seated House and if no candidates emerge victorious then the House elects the new president. But yes, Trump's term end regardless. He could be elected by Congress to a new term but I find that highly unlikely.

    This is all moot. States hold the elections, not the president, not the feds. Trump can try to stop them but States certify their election results and whatever they certify is what gets sent to congress.
     
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  3. Daggdag

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    There are only a handful of states that allow their electors to vote outside of the popular vote. Indiana for example requires are electors to follow the popular vote and there is no provision to allow them to do otherwise so if there was no election and there is no popular vote are electors cannot legally cast a vote in the electoral college
     
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    There is nothing stopping states from changing their methods, the Supreme Court just ruled on that in fact and there is nothing in the law that says that all the states have to send electors. So Trump states can boycott if they wish, no skin off my nose.
     
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    Trump and Putin will probably ride in on mastodons, swinging lightsabers. His Q shock troops will then descend on everyone.
     
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    This entire scenario has been discussed in (at least) 10 other threads.

    But, you do need to be corrected on one key point:

    "Under of this situation, if all the states with senators up for re-election will removed then the majority would still be Republican and the oldest Republican would most likely be appointed as president pro tempore, and he would take office I am not sure who the oldest Republican senator is, but traditionally the oldest member of the majority takes the position"

    ^That is INCORRECT.

    Because the Majority will NOT "still be Republican":

    As far as the issue of Appointing Senators (if NO Election is Held):

    The current Senate is made up of 47 (D) and 53 (R).

    35 seats up in 2020 - including special elections in Arizona and Georgia - of which 23 are held by the GOP and 12 by the Democrats.

    If NO Election is held, the Dems Lose 12 Seats and the GOP loses 23.

    Thus, the Senate would be composed of a 35 to 30 Democratic Majority.

    Most experts (who have gamed-out this potentially unprecedented scenario) are in agreement THAT:

    Given the States Involved, the Parties of the Governors Involved, and each State"s Rules in regards to Appointment to Senate Vacancies, it is believed that the Dems would still end up with the Senate Majority.

    However, given the political implications of such appointments, these would be the most contentious Senate Appointments in History.

    Especially, when the Governor of the opposing party is asked to fill the vacancy created by a Senator who lost their position because of NO Federal Election.

    The implications could be staggering if State Legislatures attempted to change their Constitutions to manipulate the Governor's Options, Etc.

    It is a really endless Rabbit Hole. That is certain.




     
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    Here is what would happen if President Trump successfully cancel the election.\

    All that writing about nothing. The president doesn't have the power to cancel elections. Elections are in the domain of the states, not federal government.
     
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    Most states have their election law is codified. This means they have to be passed and then signed by the governor. None of the states have a veto-proof for either party. So the chances of States changing their laws is very slim.

    the chances of laws being changed in order to manipulate the the appointments is very slim, since the governor still have to sign the bill in most cases, and neither party has a veto-proof majority in any state.
     
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    Actually no. Trump would remain president.
     
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    It doesn't matter. If a state is incapable of producing electors then the state is just SOL. Would you want to be the governor in a state that has to tell the people they're just SOL if they want to vote? They'll find a way.
     
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    Only if he declares a coup d'etat and the military backs him and the 2nd amendment aficionados abdicate their declared raison d'etre and all the state national guards go along.
    If that happens say "welcome shithole country".
     
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    President has NO power to cancel or suspend or delay a federal election.

    His term ends on January 21st, 2021.

    After that he ceases to be President.
     
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    well you should be speaking to the Trump administration then since they're the ones pushing for the election to be cancelled
     
  14. Daggdag

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    No he wouldn't. The Constitution specifically states that a presidential term shall not exceed four years and that it show end at noon on January 20th. If there is no election Trump's term still endseends,i there is no president elected to take his place. Even if they let him stay in the White House during this time, he would have no legal authority as president or protections such as a executive privilege.
     
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    Yes there is. The Constitution. Don't know if you know this but not all of our Presidential elections were held by citizens voting.
     
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    Okay now do 'How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?'
     
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    oh so you think the states legislatures will vote for the electors, in the absense of an election?

    fat chance
     
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    I really doubt the military will leave him there 5 seconds beyond his mandate. So if he wants to negate the votes in the red states that's his affair and perhaps the red states will learn a lesson while awaiting their special elections for senators and house members and the blue states reps have a huge super majority.
     
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    If the election is postponed, most states will refuse to choose electors, and Trump's term will end on January 21st.

    The most senior Democrat in the Senate will become temporary president, until we finally have an election
     
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    I think this election is going to be highly contested, no matter who wins. This will drag on, far worse than Bush v Gore. I envision a hot mess starting in November, but it's all good, because according to republicans, the virus magically goes away that day.

    So..... out with the old suck, in with the new suck.

    2020 - the year of the colonoscopy prep beverage.
     
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    I see another electoral college win for Trump followed by another Miley Cyrus video of herself having a baby fit.
     
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    what is the point of this thread?

    are you trying to push the nonsense that Trump is a dictator? Dictators are leftists and yes, many Trump policies are Democrat policies as he was a Democrat for the longest time and contributed to many politicians within your Democrat party
     
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    Go ahead and delay the election.

    The senior Democrat in the senate will become temporary president
     
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    Trump will just declare Washington DC a sanctuary city. Then laws do not apply.
     
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    actually it could be Nancy pelosi who becomes president depending on whether or not States choose to a point temporary representatives to the house
     

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