Here's How Much the Pentagon Has Spent So Far to Treat Transgender Troops

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    Pretty good article that breaks down the costs and the numbers of transgender troops.

    Here's How Much the Pentagon Has Spent So Far to Treat Transgender Troops


    The Pentagon has spent $15 million in the past five years to treat 1,892 transgender troops, including $11.5 million for psychotherapy and $3.1 million for surgeries, according to Defense Department data provided to Military.com

    Of the 243 gender reassignment surgeries performed on military personnel since 2016, 50 took place between Jan. 1, 2016 and Dec. 31, 2017, and 193 occurred from Jan. 1, 2018 to Dec. 31, 2019 -- the two years after President Donald Trump announced via Twitter that he would bar transgender individuals from serving in the U.S. military.

    But as of May, 1,892 military personnel have been diagnosed and treated for gender dysphoria, including 726 Army soldiers, 576 Navy sailors, 449 Air Force airmen and 141 Marines, according to DHA spokesman Peter Graves.

    The Palm Center, a public policy think tank that focuses on LGBT issues, estimated in 2018 that 14,707 transgender troops serve in the U.S. armed forces, including nearly 9,000 on active duty and 5,727 in the reserves.

    Interesting numbers but of course this article didn't have the numbers I was really interested in: the number of days non deployable or on medical leave due to transgender diagnosis compared to non transgender troops.
     
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    It's ridiculous.
     
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    Used to be "Join the Navy and see the world", now "Join the Navy and become a girl".....:spin:
     
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    Yes, the Transgender segment of the population is the neediest and the most expensive to support. As well as the smallest portion of the population. This is why it took so long to allow this population to serve in the military.

    But, there is another number missing here... How many people does the Pentagon employ across all the different services??? ;) How much does their upkeep cost?
     
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    I wonder how long it will be until "trans species" individuals try to claim they are being oppressed, and demand to be let in also.
     
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    I fully agree.

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    Hell, there are some cases where people have transitioned multiple times. And in a study in 2016 it found that from 61-98% later regretted their decision and "detransitioned" back to their original gender.
     
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    I guess in those cases a functioning brain cell switches on and flashes " No, you never were a woman trapped in a man's body..." or vice versa. They NEVER go back to what they once were, they're just DOUBLE BUTCHERED.
     
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    Is there a “******* Bank” out there somewhere, just in case?
     
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    Don't you mean Biden's Space Force?
     
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    Right.
     
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    I think its called the MAGA Bank.
     
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    That is actually part of the original conditions of the award. Either die, or render themselves incapable of reproducing.
     
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    Would this be considered a kind of socialized therapy?
     
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    Meh, while I am by no means a fan of this the monetary aspect of it is nowhere near my concern. To be fair if the general public knew just how utterly horrendous the US DoD was at spending their tax dollars then they'd vomit. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US DoD is the single most mismanaged "company" in the United States by a country mile. There is not a single private company on planet earth that would stay in business if they operated under the DoD's business model regarding finances.

    So yeah while this is dumb the military wastes money on things that are WAY MORE dumb than this and I mean all the time. A moral, logistical, cohesion, etc argument can easily be made regarding trans people in the military. But a financial one doesn't hold water at all when the military pisses away money like it grows on trees on anything from gate guards to the cost they pay for MRE's.
     
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    Well as I said in that post, the real numbers I'm interested in are the number of days non deployable or on medical leave due to transgender diagnosis compared to non transgender troops. Considering the length of time from diagnosis, counseling to determine if surgery is the best option, the surgeries itself, and the recovery, it seems likely that a new transgender soldier will have spent his entire enlistment non deployable and on limited duty in order to go through this process. So it seems likely that after training, you'll never get a days work out of them.
     
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    Same with a bunch of female troops. I personally know a female colleague who has been in the Army a few years less than me and has managed to never deploy while being in operational units. My buddy knows quite a few down a Georgia as well we were talking about this the other day. Whenever deployments roll around they miraculously got pregnant. I also know quite a few people who miraculously get medical non-deployable diagnoses whenever it came time to deploy as well. There are dozens of ways and loopholes someone can and does use to get themselves out of ever leaving their desk in the military and plenty of dirt bags exploit that to the fullest.

    Hell I know a Private who graduated OSUT, showed up to the unit, and within a month was medically retired with full E-5 benefits because he got "PTSD" in basic training lol....

    Yeah this transgender thing is stupid and a waste of money and resources in the military but it's not like there are thousands of these people running around the Army doing this. What we do have are thousands of dirt bag cowards who waste time and resources by existing among us who never deploy and never do anything yet get paid the same as the rest of us who actually work and contribute. If "worthiness" is the concern then we have way bigger problems than the handful of trans people showing up.

    The military needs to change it's policy regarding being able to toss it's resident trash troops out of the front gate in a timely manner. You can walk up to any Soldier in any unit in the Army and ask them who the POS's are and they'll be able to spit off the names immediately. I'm not concerned with a handful of trans people showing up and being worthless for years when we have thousands of active duty Soldiers running around doing absolutely nothing and getting paid for it while making everyone around them pull their weight.
     
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    Transgender troops have medical expenses too

    how much was spent on straight troops during this same time period?

    as for reassignment surgeries, those should be considered elective surgeries

    but those 243 surgeries did not cost over 3 million dollars... that is mixed in with the normal surgeries that even straight men and women get
     
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    Heh, that reminds me of a female soldier I knew once who figured out that all she had to do to avoid PT tests was simply to remain pregnant. As a strategy, it worked for many years!
     
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    Yup, same tricks still work today and depending on who you are you can virtually become immune to any punitive action whatsoever and get away with whatever you want. All while still getting paid mind you. I'm not saying that metaphorically either, I literally know someone who has nearly KILLED one of their subordinates on THREE separate occasions due to pure gross negligence and absolutely NOTHING has happened. I actually had to brief our new incoming Full Bird about the latest incident and the history of this person and he asked me why in the hell is this person still here. I told him the flat out truth that everyone knows and nobody likes to say but the Army pays me to have no filter when talking to these Commanders so I have no filter. His jaw dropped, a scheduled 15 minute meeting turned into an hour and a half meeting and he vowed to correct this.

    Months later that person is still here, still being completely incompetent, still dangerous, and still teflon. And we all know why. Best we can do is put this E-7 where they can do the least amount of damage which is where they've been sitting for the past year or so. And in a couple years this E-7 will retire with full military pension and prestige having spent a career being arguably the single most worthless piece of **** I have ever seen wearing SFC rank.

    Stuff like that is why I really don't care about the "worthlessness" of a few transgenders showing up. They are the least of my concerns when we have our ranks stuffed full of worthless incompetent trash that is allowed to walk among us with utter impunity then retire and walk around society with their head raised high as a proud "veteran" of the US Army. And society's tax dollars are going to pay this walking trash a hefty paycheck every month until they die as if they actually earned a single dime of that reward. And it's only getting worse by the day.
     
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