History, for our "gun grabbing" friends...

Why did Prohibition fail in the 1920s?

Why couldn't the temperance advocates convince people to stop drinking? Why did it merely increase the price or force people to use other forms of alcohol that were more dangerous? Why did it create a black market and enrich guys like Al Capone? Why did it force the Government to expend lots of money and manpower that it couldn't afford to enforce it?

And why was it eventually repealed in the early 30s???

 

Because it's very difficult to stop people from brewing their own alcohol from products that cannot be controlled... Not so easy to manufacture your own firearm and ammunition.

Wouldn't you consider it relevent that the US is the source of most black market firearms?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guv1zxttoSAF-NOJzZkAJV2R93mg

 

I see the phrase "gun grabber" I think, no moderate discussion here. That's a bit sad. As to the question of why prohibition failed - it was a bloody stupid idea.

 

They're only "black market" because other countries have decided to try to make them illegal. Stop all guns from coming out of the USA, and those in other countries will just find a different source... or start making their own in clandestine factories.

Drug cartels already have clandestine drug factories, many with sophisticated laboratories. Terrorists have clandestine bomb factories. What makes you think underground gun factories would not immediately spring up if it became too difficult to obtain guns from conventional sources? Organized crime will always have access to illegal goods.

 

Limiting guns to "organised crime" would be a huge improvement compared to every criminal having easy access.

 

Except that organized crime already sells cocaine and forged identification documents on the street to any criminal who has the money.

 

So you believe there are more cocaine addicts in the US than armed criminals?

 

wow!!!!!!!!!! What a stretch. Do you ever accept personal responsibility for anything you say in here? You went from hating gun owners to calling them coke-heads in one sentence.....kinda seems yer all over the place..........

 

for anyone that says it is to hard to make a gun look up zip guns.

 

But the prohibition against machine guns worked extremely well and continues to this day

 

actually very few machine guns are legally owned and none of them are used in crime, but gang members somehow do get them. Many times when you see a large drug bust on the news and the police have the drugs laid out along with the money and guns. Some of those guns are reported as being fully automatic (of course the press could be wrong on that but that is how they are being reported as you see the pictures of the Uzis).

 

I was referring to the 1934 Firearms act, which in various forms continues to this day

 

The fact that you don't understand what is being said has no bearing on the validity of what is being said.
If anything, I was illustrating that comparing cocaine smuggling to gun smuggling is a false analogy.

To put it in terms you might have the capacity to understand: Someone else compared guns to cocaine, and I was showing why they're not the same... Care to disagree?

 

In my opinion, controversial forms of Arms should be relegated to a Standard already fixed by our federal Congress and termed; Class III.

 

undeniable. we've gone this route before and I prevailed. I not only understand completely, I find your stance to be one of complete paranoia and baseless fears that everyone with a gun is coming to get you. We're so afraid of your K-bar knife......
I just haven't found a reason to give your drivel credence. Always with such extreme posts this small insignficant thing means this overwhelming dislogical argument. "I don't need this so I'm coming for your_____________ "(fill in the blank)
"..and I'm willing to use any and all means to strip you of your Rights" This is what you have stated before. What a frickin' hypocrite............what a wonderful American.
Tell me something O Great Warrior from the ME, Is your form of tyranny any better than the next guy?

 

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison

 

None of that even vaguely resembled reality, which seems par for the course...
I illustrate that guns are different from cocaine, and you immediately claim I'm calling gun owners drug addicts?

I don't believe I need a gun for self defense, and you claim that proves I'm afraid of something?
Could you link back to where you've pulled that quote (supposedly by me) from?

Take a nap grandpa, grown ups are talking here.

 

For the same reason that drugs (at least some of them) will be decriminalized in the near future, and why abortion will remain legal (at least for the first three months) and why handguns, rifles and shotguns will not be banned.

 

nope, it can come from within.

 

As was I because of that act very few law abiding citizens are allowed to own them but lots of criminals do. So if you have the same rules for the avg gun as gun banners want you will have very few law abiding citizens with gun but lots of criminals with them.

 

Why do we have an alleged, patriot act?

 

Firearms and ammunition last a long time. In the 1990s, I read in a gun magazine about some guys who bought surplus WWII ammunition. The failure rate was a little higher than new ammunition, but not extremely so. that was 50 yr old ammunition. I own usable firearms that were manufactured well before that time--80 yrs +

Mexican drug lords are using military weapons (full auto, grenades and RPGs) that cannot be traced to the U.S. They get most of these from Mexican and Central Americal military sources. The guns they get from the U.S. are minor-league compared. Yes, the U.S. is responsible for most traceable guns, but the great majority of guns used by the drug lords aren't traceable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/ryan-mauro/where-drug-cartels-really-get-their-arms/

 

Just as we feel that gun control ideas are......

 

The Feds can use maditory punishments from the 1934 Act to fine $250,000 and give 10 years to anyone they don't like who is caught with a machine gun, sawed off shotgun or other "bad" thing.

If the Feds used punishments allowed under the RICO anit-racketerring act, they would also be able to fine and imprison any gang member---even if they didn't use a gun in their crimes.

However, the urban street gangs that kill so many people with stolen and illegal guns are very protected by Leftists in the government for strictly racial and political reasons. Gang members, like the one who shot up the parade in New Orleans, will not face federal RICO charges.

 

All a load of rubbish just do what the G men did back in the day - get em for tax evasion. There is an IRS sting we could all get behind