History is clear.

Socialism is the perfect form of government provided your goal is to concentrate wealth and power into the hands of ever fewer and ever more paranoid asshats.

 

That isn't a function of socialism, it's a function of government. Regardless of the system, the crap tend to float to the top.

 

What do you call a form of government that puts the needs and interests of 'the people' ahead of the needs and interests of the few with money?

 

Nonexistent.

 

I disagree to a certain extent but it has more to do with timing than anything else.

 

In order to arrive at this conclusion, you have to completely ignore the human element.

 

Under capitalism, there is more "crap" to spread around and more people end up with it. Under socialism, there is a lot less "crap" to spread around, and government offices and their buddies get almost all of it.

A failure and a fraud. History has shown that repeatedly, but some people never learn because they listen to the little professors in the colleges who figure they are at the top of the socialist food chain in return for spreading propaganda to the masses.

 

A system of collectivism that completely destroys individual motivation and drive.

Nobody follows the law, gets marketable traits, and builds a business to benefit the collective. Nobody.

 

So concentrating efforts on those who truly need them is a failure and a fraud? We shouldn't even try?

 

No you don't.

 

We already do. It's call "welfare, relief and unemployment compensation."

 

i'm not sure that russia was swarming with kleptomaniac oligarchs until we taught them how capitalism works ). can you comment on the yachts owned by russian citizens before the berlin wall came down?

free markets and socialism can co exist. capitalists, on the other hand, will always collude to defeat free market competitive forces.

 

Liars, no government ever gives much more than lip service to that idea, and frankly no government can make your life any better than you can and will all by yourself. Suffice to say that at this point and forty to fifty trillion dollars down the drain later the war on poverty makes the war on drugs look like a sparkling success.

 

We didn't teach them how. What we have in the US is fascistic economy as wholely demonstrated by how we fought the war against COVID.

 

welfare, relief, and unemployment compensation" barely exist in america, and will be shopped as soon as possible.

 

I'm not sure what you mean about "timing" there.

Not at all. It's precisely because of the human element that all forms of government have largely the same general issues and limitations.

 

ridiculous. amway inc was paid big money by the bush administration to teach russians capitalism.

amway, literally "the american way" has a business model of redistributing the meager earning of its salesmen upward to its jeweled hierarchy.

 

The "crap" in my post was referring to the people in charge, not resources.

Obviously the amount of resources a region has doesn't change under a different government though, and how a system intended those resources to be distributed is commonly different to what actually happens. Even within the principles of the government system, that isn't all about socialism vs capitalism. After all, the reason Communist/socialist systems collapsed in practice has been more about excessive nationalism and protectionism.

 

Sure you do.

They only people that believe innovation, risk, entrepreneurship, self development, and success will continue if the benefits are realized by the collective rather than the individual are people that don't achieve those things.

Nobody does those things under the mindset "my efforts will help to build society".... nobody. They do those things, which ultimately do help develop and improve society because they are under the mindset "I want to reap the rewards of my efforts".

Anybody that believes otherwise is not living in reality and considering the human element.

 

I am sure the irony of this will escape you.

What do you believe is happening in the United States exactly?

 

Sorry but virtually every medical development was made for just that reason.

 

Really? Ok, name one. Let's talk specifics.

 

It isn't Socialism.

 

the cubans have cures for many cancers, including lung cancer, all developed without a profit motive.

the profit motive of american innovation is diluted by corporate ownership of intellectual property, non compete clauses in employment contracts, and the dead certainty that the profits of any enterprise are collected by the corporate executives and by wall st

 

Is socialism a form of government?