Homosexuality absent religion?

I agree overall. I'll be just a bit more charitable in saying this about religion:

While any belief system can lead to much good, the same wielded by people lacking empathy, compassion and wisdom... will be nothing less than an oppressive curse upon mankind.

 

The religious excuse has been used to excuse men from fighting in wars.

 

I know the case. My position won in court.

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Nope. The 14th amendment specifically says "all persons" not ex slaves.

 

Not sure what that has to do with property rights.

 

No, you dont know the case. Tell us why the owners refused to sell a cake to the homosexual couple. The 14th amendment was passed concerning ex slaves and their descendants. Period.

 

Well yes the 14th amendment was passed to make sure former slaves were given personhood and citizenship. But in writing the amendment they didn't mention slaves, race or anything specific where they absolutely could have. I think this was done for the purpose of applying it in other cases in the future. If it wasn't they would have directly mentioned former slaves.

 

of course I know the case. The owners claimed their Christian beliefs wouldn't let them bake a cake for a gay wedding. They found out quickly their beliefs don't permit them to break the law.

The 14th amendment says all persons, not ex slaves. I have a mountain of case law to support me. You have your delusions.

 

Nope. Try again. The owners had done business with the homosexual couple previously. Why can't you be honest and tell us exactly why the owners refused the homosexual couple. I thought you said you knew the case. Obviously, you don't.

The 14th amendment was passed right after the Civil war and concerns ex slaves. You're wrong.

 

I don't need to try again. Those are the facts of the case.

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I told you why. They claimed their religious beliefs wouldn't let them bake a cake for a gay wedding. They found out quickly their beliefs don't permit them to break the law.

I just showed you I do. lol

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"All persons" doesn't mean ex slaves. I of course am not wrong, which is why you can't cite a single court case to support your moronic assertion, while I have a mountain of cases to support me.

 

Ok. I accept your concession.

 

http://www.legalmatch.com/understanding-14th-amendment.html

 

Rahl is now on ignore, which is what happens eventually to everyone that continues lying to me. The Oregon bakers refused to make a cake celebrating homosexual marriage, not refusing to sell a cake to a homosexual couple. They had sold cakes to the homosexual couple previously. As usual, leftists lie.

 

My point is it doesn't matter why they refused. There is a law in Portland that forbids discriminating against people based on sexual orientation. The precedent was set by accomadation laws passed in the civil rights act. Religious objection then was not relevant.

If you want to say accomadation laws are unjust, I agree, but if you say christians should have special exemptions because they are christian, I must disagree.

 

According to the bible, as a thumper you should know, there are only 2 reasons for divorce. Infidelity and unbeliever.
Any other reason for divorce is not recognize by the bible. And so, any divorce and remarriage not because of those 2 specific reasons, are adulterers. And marriage is a lifestyle.

How many christians own businesses in this country?
How many closed? AFAIK, 3-5 maybe, and as I said, they chose to close rather than comply with the law. Because they chose to be hypocrites.

I already said, the argument you are presenting has lost. You beating a dead horse. If this is your only complaint, then there is nothing more. You can argue with yourself.

 

Everyone's lifestyle is a constitutional right. All people have an equal right.
Now, laws can't be broken in the name of some right, like some businesses did that you complain about. But those weren't people being illegal, it was their business. A fact you keep ignoring.

 

Yes, i understood there is a law. There is also a United States Constitution protection of religious freedom. We have a problem. The Supreme Court will decide.

 

Yes, as a thumper I understand Jesus was speaking concerning the law. However, we are not living under the old testament law. I don't think Jesus wants people living in an abusive situation. Do you?

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No, we haven't lost. There is a Supreme Court that will determine this as soon as we stack the court with conservatives in the next 8 years. Too bad for you, huh.

 

Lol, which is exactly what I said. It's hilarious you accused me of lying, then lied about what I said.


And, the 14th amendment isn't about ex slaves. Which is why it says "all persons" and not "ex slaves".

 

And it's also hilarious that you apparently didn't read your link.

 

Yeh I agree. They just forcibly removed one from office.

 

Enjoy it while you can, this isn't over. No such thing as "settled law".

 

You do realize, no matter how much you stack religious totalitarians on the court, they have to have a reason to rehear the case.

Who can prove injury that two adults can sign a legal contract?

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Just like I don't want to celebrate a mental illness...

 

I realize history and the fact law can be overturned. You're the one that should be nervous, not us.

 

Feel free to explain what the path is to removing same sex couples from signing a legal document.

I wouldn't expect you to be nervous, you are the one advocating for the removal of a minority's civil liberties, not us. We just want to be treated equally and left alone.