Homosexuality, is it a choice?

Absolutely it's a choice whatever you do sexually.
It's never like you can't say "No, I don't want to do that."
"No i don't want stick my junk in that thing that looks like it's filled with cottage cheese."
See how easy that is?

 

Homosexuality is defined by what you are attracted to. Not what you do.



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So if you, as a presumed heterosexual , made the choice not to have sex, you would no longer be a heterosexual? When would you be then?

 

Celibate ? unless you became "Important" within your sphere of reference or attraction.

Key word: Impotence.

 

So you are 'no scientist or doctor', but you know that. Impressive.

 

That is part of my point, which I probably did not explain enough, that it's not so much a conscious decision, but the orientation developed through related decisions. At least that is how it seems to work, yes with me as I can only experiment on my own psychology but I am talking about creating and destroying the deep belief of those particular states.

 

Well, yes, but it's not a choice for one man to be sexually aroused by men anymore than it's a choice for another man to be sexually aroused by women. If Johnny gets a boner seeing Billy naked, that's not on purpose.

The bigger question: Who cares if someone "engages in homosexual acts"?

 

On the other hand, if women are attracted to other women, it is not a choice, it is inane to ones psyche, what one is, this can start at an early age around 10, and one starts to have certain feelings, that is how it was for me anyway.

 

I've never met a person who chose their sexual-orientation.

The ONLY thing I've ever seen people 'choose'... is whether or not they were going to engage in sexual activity.

 

No need to get snarky, bub. It's impressive that you seem to know differently.

 

I don't know, I believe. Quite a different thing. And I don't regard alternative opinion as idiotic or less valuable.

 

People with way too much time on their hands.​

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If none are... it's always a good idea to take another look at your own. Kind of like that advice about when you look around the poker table and can't find the easy mark.

(... and I mean this in a friendly & constructive way, it's advice I have had reason to give myself.)



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Keep that in mind then, when snarking at what I say I believe with an alternative opinion.

 

So there are seemingly to camps of 'belief' (for lack of a better term):

• Those who believe that your sexual behavior determines whether you are gay/straight/bi/whatever; that your behavior dictates your identity, those as a result of your own choices.
• Those who believe that your sexual behavior is an expression of your orientation - of what you are; that your identity is not necessarily the product of conscious decision making, even though your expression of it through behavior, is.

And perhaps a third camp - those of us who also realize that one's sexual orientation is not the exclusive driver of one's sexual behavior - that people both can and do sometimes act in ways contrary to their sexual orientation.

The group who 'reason' that sexual behavior dictates identity seem to have the cart before the horse, in my view.

They would have us pretend that no one feels attracted to particular traits of gender expression before they engage in sexual behavior - that we're somehow a blank slate until we engage in sex. I just find that completely bizarre, no matter how many times they try to explain it to me.

It's as if they're so incapable of imagining what it's like to be gay (or are afraid they'll make themselves gay if they do), that they conclude (without any credible evidence) that it has to be a conscious choice, arises from post-traumatic stress, or is the result of parental influence, etc. They'll choose absolutely anything as a cause because the idea of not being in control of one's orientation is apparently absolutely terrifying to them.

Too much truth? I'm not here to coddle anyone. If my statement above cheeses you off, then you're going to have to find a better explanation to support your theory that behavior dictates/determines orientation, because I don't think my conclusion about you is any less valid than your conclusions about me and my 'gayness'.

If you didn't know you were straight until you had sex for the first time, fine. I guess I have to take your word for it, weird as that is to me. Too bad you won't do the same for me when I tell you I experienced same-sex attraction long before I engaged in any sort of sexual behavior.

 

I think it really boils down to this, there are People that do not like Gay People to varying degrees, and also they are against Gay People to varying degrees, and have varying Agendas, I see where Parents that may be accepting of Gays are scared their Children could somehow be "converted" or Proselytized or brain washed into being Gay, or somehow tempted by the fruit of the Gay tree, this is not how it happens however.

Lots of People make claims in order to have an excuse to bring out the tar & feathers, the pitchforks and torches so they can have a Gay old time lynching Gay folks, do it for the Children ! That is why it is good for them to claim being Gay is a choice, like saying, today I want a sandwich or no, today, I want pizza, and even that desire springs deep from within.

Being Gay is not an illness to be diagnosed or treated or medicated, however, if people can convince others that being Gay is a Psychosis or other type of mental illness, or abnormal in some way, then they can act against Gay People, remove them from Teaching jobs etc...

There is no clinical foundation in behavioral science to make an objective statement, if a patient has a fracture, you can see a deformity, the patient is in pain, an X-Ray will reveal a fracture, and it can be treated, that is not the case with Gay people, they are not ill in any way, they are normal decent human beings that have the same rights as heterosexuals.

I have been in the Medical field for most of my life, in the clinical setting and as a Medic treating the most ghastly combat related injuries you should never have to see, with a high rate of success I might add, much clinical experience is by trial & error, observation and what a patient tells you, both objective and subjective information and patient assessment is based on such information and depends on the historian for accuracy, the patients life and efficacy of treatment subject to such as well.

My experience and training as a clinician indicates that not all people have the same root experience or development in life, there are a myriad of factors and defining moments in everyone's life as it was with mine, I found out and found someone to experience the true joy of life at a much earlier age than most, pure chance or Luck or destiny etc....

Simply put, when you reduce a person to an equation, for instance, in Bio 101, the teacher said we are all $14 U.S. Dollars worth of chemicals, so when you put people in those terms, as an illness to be treated, a sick person, a nutter, then you have a tool to use against them and destroy them as vermin, Dehumanization of those you wish to destroy, those people become an "IT" a faceless entity. Adolph Hitler used these very same tactics against Jews and others he did not like, over 6 Million people died, not only Jews, anyone that did not fit his Agenda, Gays were also destroyed as unfit for society.

Junk science is full of wild speculation and unfounded theories People will enjoy if it fits their particular Agenda, this agenda varies in degrees, however you can easily see examples of those Agendas as they manifest in forums in snips of dialogue.

It is important to at least understand that Gay people are not a threat to humanity, the only real threats to humanity are Ignorance and a lack of empathy and Understanding.

Edited to add: When I was in school, the only thing you heard about Gay people was from fellow students, and religion teaching it was a sin etc...

 

Gay relationships usually leads to diseases. Rarely you'll get diseases being a virgin and waiting until you're married and be faithful to her/him.

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Scripture and science.

 

Then prove it

 

So I can marry my sister?

 

Reference; Kimberly Bergalis, a Dentist's patient, died of AIDS due to lack of BBP protocols.

Died age 23.

In December 1987, dentist Dr. David Acer removed two of Bergalis's molars. Acer was HIV-positive at the time, having been diagnosed that fall. In March 1989 Bergalis began to show symptoms of AIDS and was diagnosed with the disease in January 1990.[2] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) initial report[3] that she had likely acquired her infection from her dentist prompted Acer to write an open letter requesting that his patients be tested for HIV infection. The Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services tested over 1000 patients, discovering two additional HIV-positive patients.[4] The CDC would eventually identify a total of ten HIV-positive former Acer patients, and link the infections of six to their dentist.[5]

 

Scripture: Leviticus 19 and Romans 1 for starters. Science: the prevalence in STDs among gays.

 

Fine by me. Some might want you to stand in front of a judge first, so you can demonstrate the bond of growing up together isn't compromising her judgement. But I really don't care that much about your sister.



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Scripture....that is hilarious!!!!

Look outlaw people that smoke being in relationships.... they make themselves, their kids and everyone around them sick. Dude.....you are freaking hilarious

 

Maybe you can give us the choices made by the child and parent?
Doubtful, but you did make the claim.

 

Legally, probably not. But you are certainly free to have sexual relations with her. Why you want to, I don't know.
And if you want it bad enough, get a backing behind you, present your case. You never know, you may be able to legally do as you wish.