House approves nearly $14.5 billion in military aid for Israel. Biden vows to veto the GOP approach

Realistically, the entire planet!

 

The Republican senators wanted a singular aid package with Israel and Ukraine.

 

And why should I care that they want that? More to the point, why should you care what Republican senators want? That hasn't exactly been your MO previously.

 

I'm sure that they will go after the tax evaders in the same stringent manner that they went after Hunter Biden.

 

While there are aspects to what you write that I disagree with, your overall posture in this message is on the right track.

 

Because dems do not stand with Isreal.

They stand with palestinians.

Unfortunately our actual allies do not and will not ever have the support of Dems.

 

Do you support sending financial aid to Israel?

 

Fake news. The $14B is from the additional $80B for 87,000 additional auditors that we do not need. We dare Bribed Joe to veto it, or Upchuck Schumer to refuse to put it to a vote.

Bribed Joe demanded the finding,
The House passed it,
Now it's up to the Senate to see if they can pass anything.

 

I don't object to this bill, no. Do you?

 

If I recall correctly, you don’t support a bill to fund Ukraine’s defense against Russia. Why support Israel but not Ukraine?

 

I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, I just didn't know if you would rush to post that reply tonight or tomorrow. I have my answer on that but not on the question I asked.

Not that I expected it...

To answer your question, I think our national interests in Ukraine and Israel are about the same: minimal. The difference between the two is that we were not in any way allies with Ukraine before the war*, and we have been allies of a sort with Israel for decades. More to the point though, is that we have at least one major joint defense program with Israel, the Iron Dome, so we no doubt have multiple contracts involved with that no doubt require some reciprocation on our part.

But to me, here's the biggest reason, this is the first bill that's passed Congress that I can remember that actually pays for itself.

I know, mind blown!

So if the American people want to spend money on mindless crusades overseas, they should pay for it, either by cutting spending or raising taxes, and this is the first time in my lifetime that we had a Speaker willing to do that. So I hope that when the Ukraine and Gaza relief bills come up, they are paid for similarly. Agree?

* not to mention the multiple other reasons I've mentioned on this forum. The only reason that war is still going on is because of us. We're prolonging the war and churning through tens of thousands of lives. Israel is at war whether we give them 100 million or nothing.

 

" Your tax dollars at work ."

 

First, you asked, and I answered. Second, the Senate, in a bipartisan effort, wants this, which is why the House bill will never pass in the Senate. Third, yes, I want both, no conditions attached but i am willing on some border security. But giving breaks to tax cheats is and should never be a priority.

 

Oh Hell no. Generally, Dems do stand with Israel, but their stance is not religiously connected with that stance.

 

He supports it because he knows is a "designed to fail" political gimmick. Neither country will get what they need.

 

That's the talking point? Breaks for tax cheats? Heh.

To me, the issue isn't necessarily from where the spending is paid for, either spending cuts or tax increases, but I just want the spending paid for, and finally, someone actually passed a bill that did just that. Obviously I'm surprised that you are more concerned with doing what Republican senators want than I am, but if they won't accept that bill, and the bill never clears the senate, I'm good with that too.

 

We can't afford any of it. It is the same frame of mind that causes people and companies to file for bankruptcy.

 

One can only hope.

 

It's not paid for since it is increasing the deficit. Where do you think the revenues are coming from? The unpaid tax revenues that they never paid because of a lack of funding to begin with. And by cutting funding per Johnson, it sends a message, the wrong message, that tax cheats are welcomed in the GOP.

For the Senate, Democrats and non-MEGA Republicans want both Ukraine and Israel in one aid package. There are minor differences but this is where compromise comes in.

 

You re simply repeating a complaint that you've made a few days ago in this thread, and I've already replied to you that I simply don't believe any CBO estimates about potential funds via possible tax increases based on hypothetical increases in tax revenue based on assumptions about possible tax cheating. It's absurd, and the only reason that particular provision was in the Inflation Reduction Act was to reduce it's cost on paper, by claiming that doubling the size of the IRS would increase tax revenues. I suppose mathematically, if you increase the size of the IRS by 100 times, you would increase revenue by 100 times, so by cutting that increase down to 50 times, you're increasing the size of the deficit!

On paper.

But you added nothing new to the discussion, just repeating the same things you said a few days ago, and never responded to my question about which cuts or tax increases you would favor instead. So I don't know that you have a point.

 

But the point is that it directly refutes your claim that "it was paid for." You simply will not acknowledge that or the fact that you are willing to allow tax cheats, and they do exist, to bellowed to skirt the law. That's the point and your refusal to acknowledge those two incontrovertible facts shows you offer nothing of substance or value.

 

Your comment sounds like a bot simply honing in on key words and running a macro of a preloaded talking point, even if it's the same one. I've absolutely already responded to your comment and you have failed to respond to it except by repeating the same talking point. Chatgpt could probably give me a better response than this.

 

Perhaps because Israel is an ally while Ukraine is a victim.

 

Fake News. 60% of the American People agree with Speaker Mike and the GOP

Most Prefer Spending Cuts to Pay for Foreign Aid

'60% say Congress should vote separately on Biden’s security funding requests, rather than in one bill.

• This includes 72% of Republicans, 48% of Democrats, 61% of independents, and 63% of swing voters.
• Black voters (46%-45%) are evenly divided on the question, while 6-in-10 or more Asians (64%), Hispanics (60%), and Whites (63%) prefer separate bills.
• 66% of America’s New Majority voters prefer separate spending bills, including majorities of those undecided (57%) and those planning to vote Democrat (56%) for Congress in 2024. This makes insisting on separate spending bills a magnet issue.'

'Most say that if Israel and Ukraine aid bills are passed, they should be paid for by cutting spending elsewhere, rather than by borrowing money.

• Similar percentages (56% and 55%) of Americans say if the Israel or Ukraine bills are authorized, they should be paid for with spending cuts rather than with deficit spending.
• This includes majorities of Republicans, independents and swing voters and pluralities of Democrats.
• America’s New Majority voters prefer the Israel aid bill be paid for with spending cuts rather than deficit spending by a margin of 63%-13%. This includes 47% of those undecided and 60% of those planning to vote for a Democrat for Congress in 2024. This makes insisting on offsets a magnet issue.'